Therapist Dismissive of Calling Infidelity ‘Abuse’

Reconciliation therapist Dr. Kathy Nickerson, who’s been thirsty for a Chump Lady smackdown, dismisses the idea that infidelity is abuse. In a video that I’m now giving eyeballs to, she says we should never “label” or “shame” cheaters.

Over the last year, many people in Chump Nation have sent me videos of Dr. Kathy Nickerson and her insipid infidelity advice. In her best tradwife Romper Room voice she calls out the Reconciliation Industrial Complex’s greatest hits.

Cheating is “complicated.” We mustn’t judge. Mustn’t shame. And gosh darn, your partner’s double life might be the best thing that ever happened to you! You’ll build back better! I see a unicorn…. yada yada… you all know the script. Perhaps you lost a lot of time and money on this kind of “help.”

In this video above Dr. Kathy Nickerson takes on certain unspoken opponents who have the Unhelpful Idea that infidelity is abuse.

Here’s the transcript.

Is cheating abuse?

So why wouldn’t we question people who stay with their abusers? Okay, let’s talk about this. When you say cheating is abuse, that removes all of the nuance and the details of the conversation. Not all infidelity is the same, right? A one night stand is very different from somebody who struggles with a smex addiction. 

I also think that labeling people like that judges them and isn’t very helpful. You know, if you say somebody is an abuser, Does this make them always an abuser? Is there the capacity for growth and learning and change? And if not, why not? And also, if you say that the abusee, the person who was abused, is a victim, well, I don’t like that label either, right? I experienced infidelity. 

I don’t wanna be known as a victim. I don’t even really wanna be known as a survivor of that. I wanna say that I am a person who recognized that that behavior had nothing to do with me and I don’t identify as being a victim of abuse. So for the most part I think labeling things this way is just shaming people and is judging people and is not really helpful at all. It’s supposed to be empowering I guess but putting a stamp on something like this really isn’t helpful because the truth is Deciding to stay or not once you’ve discovered an affair is incredibly complicated. You know, you might love this person. 

You may have kids with this person. You may have a very long, complicated life with them and not want to leave. You may be older and near retirement and thinking, I don’t want to start my life over. you might be thinking a wide variety of things and whatever you’re thinking it is your life and your choice and your decision and I don’t think somebody else should just come in, tell you it’s abuse and tell you that you’re an idiot or a fool for deciding to stay. So I would rather you not say this to people because it doesn’t help them in any way. 

And it doesn’t help the person who cheated do better. So there’s not a lot of value to saying this in my mind. I hope you’ll consider doing something else. 

All that waffle and she never actually addresses the main question. Okay, Dr. Kathy, if it’s NOT abuse — why isn’t it? Explain it to me like I’m in kindergarten, sitting on your big braided rug, eating graham crackers.

Curiously, her own website has lots of articles on betrayal PTSD and healing journeys and triggers and all the rest. Which begs the question:

How do you get PTSD from NON-ABUSE?

Did chumps make up the trauma? WTF?

That would be an interesting conversation. Instead, Dr. Kathy Nickerson gives us a bunch of straw man arguments and fallacies, that I’m going to dismantle. And your Friday Challenge is to tell Dr. K what you think of her video.

1. Straw man: “If you call cheating abuse, you’re calling the betrayed person a victim.”

Cheating is abuse โ†’ therefore the betrayed person is a “victim” โ†’ being called a victim is disempowering โ†’ therefore we shouldn’t call cheating abuse.

These things don’t logically follow.

You can describe a behavior as abusive without prescribing an identity to the person who experienced it. “I was subjected to abusive behavior” is not the same as “I am a victim and that is my identity.”

But victim shaming is a common way to shut people down who call out abusive behavior.

Just because you don’t self-identify as a “victim”, doesn’t answer the question whether the conduct meets a reasonable definition of abuse.

Dr. Kathy has substituted “Is this true?” with “Do people find this framing helpful?”

Those are different questions. Clearly, for her own reasons (my guess is the RIC model of send me money and I’ll affair proof your marriage) she thinks the abuse frame is “unhelpful.”

2. Appeal to personal experience / anecdotal reasoning

She says:

“I experienced infidelity. I don’t wanna be known as a victim. I don’t even really wanna be known as a survivor…”

Bully for you. That’s your preferred identity. But it isn’t evidence that infidelity isn’t abuse.

Your personal experience establishes:

I don’t find this terminology useful for myself.

It doesn’t establish:

Therefore infidelity shouldn’t be conceptualized as abuse.

That’s an anecdotal fallacy when her personal preference is being used to settle a general proposition.

Here’s a funny little mind*ck. She says, “whatever you’re thinking, it is your life and your choice and your decision,” while simultaneously using her preferred way of thinking about infidelity to argue against someone else’s conceptualization. Clearly, Dr. K is NOT okay with your choice and your decision to label your experience as abuse, decide it’s unacceptable, and leave.

3. Red herring: “Leaving is complicated.”

Her response:

People may love their spouse. They may have children. They may be near retirement. They may have a long history together. They may not want to start over.

None of those facts have anything to say about whether or not the relationship is abusive. It’s always difficult to leave.

A person can have:

  • children with an abusive person,
  • decades invested in an abusive relationship,
  • shared property,
  • retirement accounts,
  • love for an abusive person,
  • financial dependence,
  • social ties,
  • fear of starting over,

and still be experiencing abuse.

The difficulty of leaving does not determine whether something is abusive.

In fact, “Why don’t you leave?” is historically a terrible way of analyzing abusive relationships. It’s one way we shame women in domestic violence situations. The complicated reasons people remain are not evidence that the underlying behavior isn’t abusive.

4. Non sequitur: “It’s complicated” โ†’ “therefore it’s not abuse”

Let’s try to follow the unicorn think here:

  1. Infidelity varies considerably.
  2. People’s circumstances vary considerably.
  3. Therefore, calling infidelity abuse is an unhelpful oversimplification.

Lots of things that constitute abuse have enormous variation in severity, frequency, context, and consequences. He only cheats on me on Tuesdays. Wednesday through Monday, he’s terrific.

“Abuse” isn’t necessarily a claim that every instance is identical.

Why doesn’t she address this distinction? She could argue “not all cheating is equally harmful.” I wouldn’t disagree. There’s finding out your fiancee is on dating apps and there’s paternity testing your children after 20 years of marriage. There’s inappropriate sexting and there’s losing a pregnancy to a husband’s wandering dick and STDs.

I agree it’s not all the same. But that’s different from:

“Therefore cheating cannot be abusive.”

Those aren’t equivalent propositions.

5. False dichotomy: either “cheating is abuse” or “all cheating is exactly the same”

The “one-night stand versus seggs addiction” example sets up an implicit binary:

Either every instance of infidelity is identical, or the category “abuse” is invalid.

False. A category can contain behaviors with different severity.

Physical abuse is an obvious analogy: a shove and a prolonged beating aren’t equivalent experiences, but that doesn’t mean “physical abuse” ceases to be a meaningful category.

The better question would be what characteristics make particular conduct abusive, not whether every instance of infidelity is equally destructive.

6. Appeal to complexity / “nuance” as a substitute for an argument

“There’s nuance” sounds sophisticated, (are you freebasing Esther Perel?) but nuance isn’t itself an argument against a behavior being abusive.

We routinely make categorical distinctions while acknowledging nuance.

Someone can have mitigating circumstances and still have committed harmful conduct. Someone can have the capacity for change and still have done something abusive.

“Nuance” needs to tell us which fact changes the classification and why. She never does that.

7. Appeal to consequences: “The label isn’t helpful, therefore don’t use it.”

Why isn’t it helpful? What label do you prefer? A sad sausage who is going to see the error of his ways? Wayward?

She repeatedly argues that calling cheating abuse:

  • shames people,
  • judges people,
  • isn’t empowering,
  • doesn’t help the betrayed person,
  • doesn’t help the cheater change.

Even if every one of those claims were true,(that calling infidelity abuse shames cheaters) they wouldn’t establish that the classification is false.

That’s an argument from consequences:

“This label has undesirable consequences, therefore the label is wrong.”

But truth and therapeutic usefulness aren’t identical concepts.

You could have a legitimate therapeutic discussion about whether, when, and how a therapist should use the word “abuse.”

That’s a different question from whether the behavior can objectively constitute abuse.

8. Equivocation between “abuse” as a behavior and “abuser” as an identity

She asks:

“If you say somebody is an abuser, does this make them always an abuser? Is there the capacity for growth and learning and change?”

Why should I care if this person is harming me? (Oh shut up Tracy, chumps don’t matter compared to the exquisite potential of a maybe repentant cheater.)

There is a difference between:

“This person engaged in abusive behavior.”

and

“This person has an immutable identity as an abuser.”

She moves from a claim about conduct to a claim about permanent identity and then argues against the latter.

Again, that’s a straw man.

Someone can do something abusive, acknowledge it, change, and never repeat it. That doesn’t retroactively make the conduct non-abusive.

9. Begging the question about what constitutes abuse

Dr. Kathy Nickerson seems to assume that calling infidelity abuse is merely “putting a stamp on something.”

But that’s precisely the point. The question is whether particular features of infidelity can satisfy meaningful definitions of abusive conduct.

Infidelity can involve:

  • deliberate deception,
  • sustained manipulation,
  • coercive control,
  • exploitation of a partner’s trust,
  • financial deception,
  • exposure to sexual health risks without informed consent,
  • systematic gaslighting or reality manipulation.

If those behaviors meet a definition of abuse, simply saying “don’t put a stamp on it” doesn’t refute that.

She needs to explain why they don’t constitute abuse.

She doesn’t.

10. Appeal to intent โ€” without actually establishing it

Her framing also seems to presume that “abuse” means something like deliberately intending to abuse someone.

But many discussions of abuse focus on the nature and effects of conduct, not simply whether the perpetrator consciously thought: “I’m an ogre! I’m abusing my partner!”

A person can engage in coercive, deceptive, controlling, or dangerous behavior without thinking of themselves as an abuser.

11. She conflates “victimhood” with helplessness

There’s also a philosophical assumption underneath her argument:

victim = powerless, passive, defined by what happened to you.

That’s not what “victim” means.

A person can accurately identify that they were victimized by someone else’s conduct and simultaneously have extraordinary agency about what they do next.

You don’t cease being the victim of a robbery because you subsequently rebuild your finances.

You don’t cease having been assaulted because you become psychologically resilient.

Likewise, someone can say: “My spouse abused me with his double life, and I chose to leave, and rebuild my life.”

The second half doesn’t negate the first.

12. Staying in a relationship with a cheater doesn’t make it NOT abusive.

For all the flutter about chumps have choices, Dr. K seems to tar people who leave and describe their experience as abuse as bitter bunnies who aren’t being helpful to their own healing.

But the fact that someone chooses to remain in a relationship does not tell us whether their partner’s conduct is abusive.

Relationships can endure. It doesn’t mean they’re healthy.

That’s all the skein untangling I have for Dr. Kathy Nickerson today. Your Friday Challenge is to give me your own review.

TGIF.


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Adelante
Adelante
2 hours ago

Nice application of logic calling out the poor reasoning of her objection. If I were still teaching, the post would make a great example to give to the students I used to try to teach how to think critically.

TKO
TKO
1 hour ago
Reply to  Adelante

Yes, it was actually mentally “soothing” to read through CL’s logic and critical reasoning as it dismantled and corrected each element of Nickerson’s nonsense. Nickerson will have some soul-searching to do if she ever reads this.

Divorce Minister
Divorce Minister
2 hours ago

Not labeling it “abuse” comes with a cost, too. You cannot fix a problem without acknowledging the problem. This lady seems to be engaging in reality denial. Infidelity is abuse. That is a fact…even if it is an uncomfortable fact.

Ariel
Ariel
1 hour ago

Not only is infidelity abuse, but people who explain away abuse are abusers also.

Follow the money. This chick is making bank off of other peopleโ€™s misery

SadDadInPlaid
SadDadInPlaid
1 hour ago

I think Dr. Kathy has a bright potential future in politics or corporate PR. That was a staggering amount of words to avoid the question entirely, and instead spit out your own personal talking points.

Sorry Kathy, but I actually do find the terms โ€œabuseโ€ and โ€œvictimโ€ helpful. In my anecdotal expertise, itโ€™s actually been healthy to frame this as an event that happened to me instead of a problem I created myself. My spouse didnโ€™t have an affair because of the way I dressed or because I burned dinner. She did it because she wanted to and didnโ€™t care about the effect it would have on me when she did it. I can both be a victim of abuse and a survivor of abuse.

And yes, my experience was abuse. I was told I was being paranoid and that I was imagining things. I was told that my completely reasonable reactions were the real problem. I was pushed to therapy to get over these supposed issues of paranoia and poor communication. If this emotional manipulation was done in service of anything else, nobody would have a problem calling it abuse. So why is it different when itโ€™s done in service of infidelity?

I also donโ€™t see why the difficulty in leaving a cheater would have any impact on it being abuse. Yes, itโ€™s indeed very difficult for me to leave my spouse, for several reasons, including one she listed. But that doesnโ€™t change that she abused me. If I chose to stay, then I would be choosing to stay with someone who abused me. You can put lipstick on a pig, but that would be the choice at the end of the day.

But hey, thatโ€™s just my personal experience. Which is either completely inconsequential when I say it, but a universal truth if you say it.

dracaena
dracaena
1 hour ago

Oh yeah, I recognize this person. I had to mark her videos as “do not show me this content” because the way she talks to chumps so infuriates me.

People regularly comment on her videos to say things like “being cheated on was the most traumatic thing that ever happened to me” and she’ll respond to say things like, “aww, I’m sorry you feel that way! ๐Ÿ™‚ Your feelings are valid! <3" and then go right back to explaining why they are wrong for feeling that way. I do not appreciate it.

She also hides comments from people who mention divorce, which is gross. If your feelings are valid then your choice to divorce your cheating spouse is also valid.

You have to wonder what goes on in the mind of someone who is cheated on and then makes it her life's mission to defend her cheating spouse to every chump on Tiktok.

dracaena
dracaena
1 hour ago
Reply to  dracaena

I also agree that there are many examples of abusive behavior that does not rise to the level of “leave this person now.”

Some people feel that shouting at your partner is abusive. Ideally, you should be able to confront your partner with this concern and they should be willing to hold themselves accountable and stop doing it. If this happens and you don’t want to identify as a survivor, great. Some people grow up in cultures where shouting is normal. Sometimes people have bad days. But shouting at your partner is still abusive behavior if it frightens and intimidates them.

The analogy here with cheating is that it is possible to non abusively sleep around outside a committed relationship, if you’re completely upfront about what you are doing and everyone involved says it’s okay. That would be an open relationship, though. That’s a different thing.

The mindf* is that this content creator has videos excusing lack of honesty, accountability, and willingness to change on the cheater’s part.

If you tell your partner that shouting frightens you and they shift the blame, manipulate, and lie, that’s abusive!! How is it not abusive?

Last edited 1 hour ago by dracaena
aeo
aeo
1 hour ago

All this ho-humming and treating cheaters with a gentle hand nauseates me. You want them to change? Get better? Call it what it it is. Abuse. Make them confront real consequences of the abuse by severing the relationship. They can go out there and “change” and “grow” for someone else.

LookingForwardsToTuesday
LookingForwardsToTuesday
1 hour ago

As a practising member of the Reconciliation Industrial Complex, Dr Kathy has a vested financial interest in refusing to accept the notion that cheating is abuse ….. a Chump who realises that their Cheater’s actions towards them constitute abuse is much less likely to be willing to pay her for her services so as to reconcile with their Cheater. Her whole business model would be blown out of the water were she to admit otherwise.

She is also full of sh*t, but that’s just my humble opinion.

LFTT

JeffWashington
JeffWashington
1 hour ago

(…was that a Stuart Saves His Family reference?)

I would like to open my screed today with: I have yet to see someone practicing in my field that is a “content creator” that I don’t want to yell at. They’re all just so…bloody dogmatic. And they are trying to sell you something…usually a book or a paywalled blog. Kids these days. Anyhow.

And the AI description of Dr. Nickerson here all seems to be scraped from her website and website ONLY. Marketing. Pure and simple.

I kind of see the point in not asserting the label of “victim” om the betrayed. Kind of. Victim has a stigma. But wait! So does “abuser”! Egads! If you just read her book…

A+B Must Equal C Fallacy. Just. Drips here.

There is an empowering aspect of trauma therapy, in my experience(and yes, this includes my own) of learning to cast off “victim.” My traitor victimized me. Through healing and taking control back, I am no longer her victim. Empowerment is a hell of a thing. In my personal lived experience as a therapist/healer/what have you, part of the journey is “admitting the problem”(Step 1 in step work for those more familiar with that), then resuming control over the issue. Around these parts, that starts with “accepting this is not your fault” and “no contact.”

Unfortunately for someone that has an admittedly difficult to obtain PhD, as our fearless leader illustrated above-there is A LOT of very flimsy logic Dr. Nickerson seems to be selling people.

It’s almost like she has a vested interest in telling people that what she is selling is the way to go. All to a generation of people that seem to be more likely than ever to have…fluid boundaries in their romantic relationships.

I am not seeing anything in the presented narrative about “managing dishonesty and lack of safety.” Or disrespect. Just that it’s “nuanced.” Yes, those are factually nuances. The same way as my expressing the thought of “maybe this person is against the label of “victim” because what she is selling people comes off as victim blaming and that gets you cancelled and reduces your views” is an opinion. Factually correct at a very basic level, yes. But wait! It’s nuanced.

I repeat: I get very, very leery of anybody in my field that is doing the influencer thing in my field. Always seem to have something to sell…and more often than not, the ones that cross my viewfinder tend to cater to very specific demographics that wish to maintain the status quo. It’s almost as if problematic behavior goes away if we all agree that it isn’t a problem. It’s not that it’s wrong-it’s that people make you feel bad for it.

Have a Traitor Free Friday!

ClearWaters
ClearWaters
1 hour ago

According to my abilities in logic Dr. K must be a cheater herself. So much meandering to justifiy that abuse is not abuse. She should sell snake oil. I pity her patients.

Stepbystep
Stepbystep
1 hour ago

I bet this entrepreneurial “therapist” would become very clear about calling conspiratoral behavior “abuse” if her personal investments were manipulated or stolen.

Dawn
Dawn
55 minutes ago

I have seen her stuff on FB and find it and her nauseating! I commented a couple times that she is delusional – never get a reply. Infidelity is abuse in every sense, end of story!

FreeandHappy
FreeandHappy
1 minute ago

Love this! โ€œHow do you get PTSD from NON-ABUSE?โ€

Iโ€™m doing a psychology course right now, and I had to write about the Gottman Institute. Curious, I started watching John and Julie Gottmanโ€™s post-betrayal video on how to โ€œatone, attune and attach.โ€

After a few minutes, Julie Gottman starts talking about the post-traumatic stress disorder experienced by the betrayed spouse. I thought, how absurd, sheโ€™s acknowledging that cheating causes PTSD, but at the same time advising that reconciliation is still possible.

On the class discussion board, we were talking about the โ€œfour horsemen of the apocalypse,โ€ which are โ€œcommunication stylesโ€ that, according to the Gottman Institute, predict divorce: criticism, contempt, defensiveness, and stonewalling.

Fancy that: contempt is a โ€œcommunication styleโ€. Itโ€™s yet another minimization of a very serious problem.