It Took Me 9 Years to Leave

years to leave

Why did it take her 9 years after D-Day to finally leave her serial cheating husband? The therapy only focused on him, not her trauma.

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Dear Chump Lady,

I read your book and have been following your blog for about two years now. And I have to be the slowest of your followers. You have made me laugh out loud many times through your book and with your responses to those who write to you. But I have to be the winner of the hopium trophy as it has taken me over nine years to FINALLY escape.

In December of 2016, after 26 years of marriage and believing that we had the perfect family and marriage, I stumbled upon a text from one of his married affair partners.

The response from FW was, โ€œI only kissed her, I mean I only touched her boobs, it just happened” โ€” crying, asking for forgiveness and oh so sorry. It only happened this once, etc.

After much sleuthing, I discovered a minimum of 17 women.

One of whom was at our wedding (others were invited), married herself, and worked alongside me at our company. She had an affair with him from before we married and for a period of at least 20 years, and often had sex in the office next door to mine. Through two of my pregnancies, my cancer and recovery and through my nursing him through cancer and recovery. ย 

A few years ago, she came crying to me, begging me not to tell her husband; she is taking this to her grave. I never told him โ€” why should he and his family be as sad as mine?

Many of his affairs were with people who attend our church and with whom we socialized over the years, inviting them into our home and screwing in our home.

All the therapy we immersed ourselves in said he was a seggs addict and this was caused by his childhood trauma. (His Dad left the family when he was 14, boo hoo). ย He is now 73 years old and still cries over this.

The counseling was always focused on HIM and his โ€œtraumaโ€.

Heโ€™s still in counseling and still discussing his heartbreak. What about my trauma?! ย My parents died a year apart when I was 15 and 16. Yet, the worst trauma in my life was the discovery that the โ€œlove of my lifeโ€ is a low life, duplicitous, disgusting, liar cheater face.

I held on for these nine ridiculous years of counseling, always giving myself an excuse โ€” a child is getting married, having a baby, itโ€™s Christmas, itโ€™s Thanksgiving, itโ€™s the first day of Summer, itโ€™s Monday — any excuse to stay in my Pollyanna world for fear of what is on the other side at age 75. ย 

Iโ€™ve sent him packing twice before and now is the third time, but I am done!  Heโ€™s still crying and begging to stay; but he moved out yesterday.

Why did it take so long to leave?!?! ย 

I disrespected myself for staying after the first discovery in 2016, much less after all the subsequent discoveries โ€” explicit s*xting, confessions, no concern for me, only concern for himself. ย 

You and your followers are the main reasons I am able to do this now. ย I may not be on this earth much longer, but I already feel free and at peace. ย Between now and dead, I am not doing this anymore. ย I may never be โ€œhappyโ€ but better lonely away from him than lonely with him. ย ย 

This is better. ย 

I have five great children, all married, and several grandchildren, all of whom live near me and luckily love me dearly. ย 

Thanks for giving us all a voice and for damning the Reconciliation Industrial Complex and the FWs who seem to be extremely prevalent.

THANK YOU for clearing my fog and giving me another chance at life. ย 

Better late than never.

Chump26

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Dear Chump26,

Thank you for giving yourself another chance at life! Take full credit for your courage! I’m glad this community and my book could help. I’m thrilled your FW lost his wife appliance and has to grow older alone with his sadz.

Please don’t beat yourself up for not leaving sooner.

That’s a very common sentiment here. (And if you’re a newbie, consider that ENORMOUS data set of people who stuck out reconciliation for years and deeply regret it.) Reconciliation is still the dominant message in therapy, in religious communities, and in our culture, which denigrates single women as cat-loving harridans who live alone in bunkers.

As you’ve discovered life without a FW is better.

I may never be โ€œhappyโ€ but better lonely away from him than lonely with him. ย ย 

I bet you WILL feel happy again. And you weren’t just lonely with him — you were abused by him for decades. His “addiction” wasn’t about his trauma — it was about his power trips. He got off on humiliating you, unknowingly and knowingly. Risking your health. Creating conspiracies. Making your world unsafe, affair partner by affair partner.

Think of all the people who could’ve told you, and didn’t.

Like that long-term affair partner.

A few years ago, she came crying to me, begging me not to tell her husband; she is taking this to her grave. I never told him โ€” why should he and his family be as sad as mine?

Why shouldn’t he enjoy the sweet freedom you’re enjoying? Why shouldn’t he have the truth about his life? A woman who f*cked your husband for decades has no business asking you for favors. I would tell her husband not as an act of revenge, but as a kindness. He shouldn’t be forced to live a lie. And if he knows? Then you’re not telling him anything new.

But first secure a good divorce settlement. If things stall, you could talk to your lawyer about deposing that affair partner, or members of the church who knew. Then when you’re nice and finalized, drop a dime. Do a fellow chump a solid.

Reframe what happened.

I held on for these nine ridiculous years of counseling

Okay. But also for nine years your counselors let you continue without a goal. Without calling your husband to account. It sounds like they were quite happy to unspool his childhood issues and ignore your betrayal trauma.

For him, sitting in the shrink’s office was the price of admission to continue his double life.

The therapists are the professionals who are supposed to see through this sh*t. And they didn’t. So, it’s really up to us as consumers to ask — is anything being accomplished here? Is this relationship acceptable to ME? And drop the skein.

You dropped the skein.

You made him move out.

YAY YOU!

It’s never, ever too late.

Congratulations on your liberation! You’re an inspiration.


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Chumpy McChumperson
Chumpy McChumperson
18 hours ago

Youโ€™re not alone Chunp26. Many of us have stayed longer than we should have based on terrible therapy, money, making schemes, and our own capacity to love.

I know the feeling of questioning yourself and it hurts. But what I hear when looking at what you wrote is a loving, kind, compassionate, caring, hopeful, bonded woman who worked through and held her own pain in hopes that someone she cared about would stop hurting her. Thatโ€™s not someone I think anyone should look down upon, thatโ€™s a freaking hero to me. To hold the pain of betrayal while trying to work with the person that betrayed you is some of the hardest work anyone can ever do. The reconciliation industry, Complex, and your husband used your strong character and integrity for their gain.

Congratulations on leaving, you did the right thing.

Stay strong as you work through the divorce process, donโ€™t listen to the sob stories after multiple D-Days you deserve better.

A fellow chump that admires you and wishes you well.

jahmonwildflower
jahmonwildflower
18 hours ago

Yay you! Way to go! Fellow chump in her 70s here. FW was also a lifetime serial cheater. Single, married, bi, straight, a wide variety of betrayal objects (though it seems they all were heavy drinkers and many had chlamydia, constant yeast infections, HPV, etc). The point is, we finally left these losers to age and deal with rheir idiocy alone. With their myriad of health problems (ooh, a catheter, very hot). And we can enjoy our lives now, retired, with friends, able to travel, live and be healthy. I agree, once the legal issues are all finalized, tell the chumped males. I told all I could find. Many I couldn’t find because I only had limited or almost no info on the betrayal objects. Some knew, some suspected, but all were glad to learn the truth. It is your story, too, as my clergy person told me. You can choose who you want to tell. You own your story. Feel free to reach out to me. I am living my best life ever, running in 5 and 10ks, hiking in the mountains, lots of travel, book clubs, regular massage therapy, tons of friends and great time with the adult kiddos. Yay for you! Much better times ahead for you!

Stepbystep
Stepbystep
18 hours ago

Chump 26 – I think you’ll find the best parts of your life are the parts YOU created and nurtured. These will remain and provide the foundation to continue YOUR success.

No contact with FW, answer your children’s questions honestly and share info only with your closest allies. You will appreciate those boundaries during your divorce process and healing.

I recently learned my similar age ex-FW continued his entitled and unhealthy lifestyle. It doesn’t turn out well.

FYI_
FYI_
17 hours ago

I stayed longer than I “should” have because of my naรฏvete. I had absolutely zero conception — zero acquaintance — with that level of dishonesty and manipulation. I just had never come across puuuuure selfishness like that before.

Now I know.

Tornup
Tornup
17 hours ago

Congratulations to you for saying enough is enough!! My ex fW left me. One of the rare ones. It took him a long time over a decade of work affairs EA and PA and the reason he left was my need for him to change after discovering 3 in appropriate affairs 2 years before he left. It has been 6 years and what I have learned continued trauma for 4 of those 6 heavily. Recently had a stroke from the fight and flight blood pressure spikes for years. Once you learn you have to leave. It is not an easy leave (my marriage was 30 years) and when they are possible beloved as a sweet honorable person it is harder to be believed. What I will say is that anyone that asks I name names. I have not told spouses involved but I want to. My fear of not knowing what retaliation might be for that is what holds me back. In this day on age of you donโ€™t know what people might do. So, I am going to send anonymous letters to the spouses with just a brief โ€œyour spouse had and affair with ex FW โ€œ and give just enough information for them to know. They do deserve to know and anyone that engaged in this type of moral decaying behavior doesnโ€™t deserve to live without consequences for their actions. Good luck to you. I donโ€™t know if you ever heal from this betrayal fully, but you do move forward and the pain lessons with time as your body adjusts to accepting the person for who they are now vs who you thought they were. I will say that my ex was fired from his 30plus executive career 1 year after our quick divorce to the date and could only get a lower management jobs and he recently was let go from it. He has money but it is from the success of our marriage and not his new marriage. He has not seen his kids on 4 years and has not met 2 of his grandchildren. We hold these spouse up. We give them the confidence to succeed and they donโ€™t value it and leave for those who meet them where they are. You become who you surround yourself with and your spouse in his 70โ€™s will just be a nobody. They donโ€™t know who they are and they are looking to fill some hole that only deep therapy and looking within would ever start to fill. Since they are weak they cant handle the accountability without crumbling in the fake facade they walk in. You on the other hand will be surrounded by your adult kids and grandkids and if that is all that is enough!!! Enjoy your peace and be proud you have the ability to love deeply. It wasnโ€™t wasted on you, your children or your grandchildren.

Last edited 17 hours ago by Tornup
Eirene
Eirene
14 hours ago
Reply to  Tornup

Hope the stroke wasnโ€™t too damaging, Tornup, and Iโ€™m glad you have loyal family. That means a lot, especially if you are struggling with a health challenge.
My best to you, as I continue to deal with the effects of my 1991 vertebral artery dissection.

new here old chump
new here old chump
15 hours ago
Reply to  Tornup

I really like this correct fear of telling people but also that one should! Once we figure out we never knew who exactly we were married to, for me, it also has led me to know this truth about others as well. An anonymous letter is great.

Elsie_
Elsie_
17 hours ago

It’s very common to stay too long in retrospect, but I recommend shifting your focus to the present and the future. Getting him out is big and refusing to reconcile is big. Keep up the momentum.

My ex and I separated twice after he retired, and he went to another state the second time. I refused to reconcile, and he kicked off the divorce that had to be. The kids were in college, so no custody issues. Getting my relationship worked out with them and getting them through college was hard, but we are solid now. Both are hardworking professionals and lovely young adults. They have nothing to do with their father.

I figured at the peak of the mess that if we had to rent a few basement rooms from a friend, it was all going to be worth it, and it was. It took awhile to all work out because my ex made it a wild divorce. We were dividing retirement assets and cars. I ended up becoming self-supporting after being largely a SAHM for twenty years and bought a house again. My ex was a part-time preacher from a family of preachers and missionaries, so I worked through that as well. My oldest and I attend a different church now.

Life is so good on the other side though. I just walked my dog around the lakes in my neighborhood this morning, have a few emails, and then will go off to yoga. I’m now semi-retired, chosing to work a few afternoons a week because I enjoy it.

Last edited 17 hours ago by Elsie_
Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
16 hours ago

Dear Chump26,

You deserve a homecoming parade. As the smoke clears and you get used to your new freedom, you’ll begin to understand the enormity of what you’ve accomplished. But I think the moment of real healing starts when chumps stop beating themselves up as so-called “cOdEpEnDeNts” and start viewing themselves as survivors of domestic abuse who got out by the skin of their teeth.

These short letters from survivors rarely include some of the darker scenes involved with cheating, namely the coercive control that it took their abusers to move them around their diabolical chessboards in order to 1) keep chumps out of the way of affairs; and 2) ensure chumps don’t “do unto” cheating abusers what cheating abusers “do unto” chumps. In other words, cheating, at root, is the “brutal enforcement of one-sided monogamy”– the precise same MO of the most violent domestic batterers and spouse-unalivers (Scott Peterson, OJ, Chris Watts, Fotis Dulos, etc., etc., etc., etc.– all cheaters btw) and, in a certain light, serial killers (who have often confessed that analiving victims is a manner of ensuring that no one else can ever have them).

Try to think of it from that perspective: he didn’t just manipulate you so that he could cheat. Paramount on his agenda was doing so without the viable consequence of you leaving him and getting romantically involved with someone else. In fact, if you read forensic research on the psychology of abusers like Dutton’s and Golant’s The Batterer, the entire impetus for cheating strongly correlates with abusers’ pathological, infantile, self-generated terror of abandonment so that cheating could conceivably be characterized as an attempt by deeply paranoid, intractably attachment disordered individuals to beat their own victims to the “punch” by betraying first while simultaneously hedging their bets against abandonment (that they, deep down, know they deserve) by latching onto a plan B (or many plan Bs) and also attempting to dilute their secret shameful, mewling dependency on primary partners by spreading it out among many.

In short, cheating serves a multi-pronged purpose of 1)revenge for the imagined crime of betrayal primary partners likely didn’t commit but technically could commit; 2) insurance against abandonment; 3) recruiting “proxy-abusers” in the form of affair partners who will both validate the abuse of primary partners as “justified” while also mirroring back to abusers a falsely idealized image of themselves (rather than what they are, which is creepy mutant abusers); 4) a manner of “masking” infantile dependency so that the abuser does not have to face their own catastrophic instability and psychologically deficient status and can pretend they are, in fact, stable and normal and even exemplary adults, while; 5)(very importantly) displacing/projecting/shifting their own chronic existential angst, terror, self doubt and insecurity to their partners as if making someone else live their hellish internal state frees them from it.

The latter is where the sadism– whether overt or covert– actually serves a purpose: seeing victims suffering in confusion and self doubt is an assurance that the “hot potato” of victim status has been successfully passed to another person which, in the zero sum mentality of abusers, assures abusers that they have dodged that victim status. But that reassurance only lives as long as the victim is still clearly and intensely suffering so cheating abusers must keep refreshing the pain and fear program over and over and over.

As a side note, according to Dutton and Golant, the warped zero sum perspective of abusers that there are only victims and perpetrators and, if you’re not one, you’ll be the other is typically internalized from traumatic family of origin dynamics. But, if that sounds like a sad sausage plea for amnesty for abusers, the fact that this dynamic is on the spectrum of spouse-unalivers and serial killers and the fact that recidivism for domestic abusers is 98.5% even with therapy and prison time tend to pull that “amnesty” up short. Statistics show that, no matter where they fall on the ghoulish spectrum, individuals who “suffer” from this particular syndrome do not change, cannot be fixed and, statistically speaking, there’s always a high risk that a formerly covert, non-assaultive abuser can progress to domestic homicide. In fact, the “golden thread” in forensic science that best predicts eventual domestic homicide better than histories of physical assault is coercive control, with or without histories of physical violence (for example, there’s no evidence Chris Watts assaulted Shannan prior to unaliving her).

I worked in advocacy more than twenty years ago, before the late, great Dr. Evan Stark wrote his ground-breaking, reality-correcting Coercive Control in 2007 and shifted his already stellar trajectory as the spearhead (along with his wife Anne Flitcraft) of the domestic violence shelter movement in the US and UK and acted as part of the team (with Flitcraft again) who authored the research that once and for all trounced the moldy old pseudo-scientific victim-blaming “psychological deficiency/codependency” theory of abuse survivors that RIC and CSAT (“sex addiction”)therapy stubbornly continues to repurpose for survivors of sexual exploitation and violations of sexual consent (“rape by deception” by any other name).

Stark’s and Flitcraft’s work was the cornerstone of the training I went through and what we jokingly called “The Book of Stark and Flitcraft” was gospel to the network I worked for. But, because coercive control was not yet a legal much less social science concept back then, we were running by the seat of our pants trying to account for the fact that victims of non-assaultive abuse (coercive control) were often just as or even more devastated than victims of physical violence because the latter sometimes managed to secure TROs and a bit of justice while victims of coercive control didn’t even get social validation for having endured abuse (in fact, quite the opposite). Consequently, we had to cobble together our own “take” on why emotional abuse was so catastrophically devastating in the era before Stark and others statistically proved that survivors of abuse almost always cite the psychological and emotional abuse and control as more damaging than even physical assault. Also, back then, there was zero science supporting our front-lines observations that every single survivor had also been cheated on in some way or other.

Not that the science has fully caught up to what we observed back in the day but at least now there is a trickle of peer-reviewed research correlating chronic infidelity with domestic abuse and coercive control. It’s also now possible to assert this in a piecemeal way by combining research on high rates of psychopathy among cheaters and so-called mate poachers and the fact that battering survivors face massively elevated risks of STD and AIDS infections.

It’s always difficult for survivors of coercive control to get a birds-eye view of the maze of control they were living in while entrapped in abusive relationships, much less escape them. This is made more difficult when so-called experts and the culture refuse to see the maze for what it is and to identify all the many devious and hard-to-identify methods that abusers engage in to entrap their partners. Sometimes it can be as subtle as “hacking” victims’ intuition with the smokescreen of a fabricated crisis that may appear on its surface to just be a ‘sulk” or “panic” or momentary disruptive behavior on the part of the abusers. But the intent behind these “subtle” forms of coercion and control is still extremely dark and carries inherent mortal risks to victims and any children involved (to our ancient monkey brains, being in proximity to an empathy impaired, covertly hostile partner is correlated with threat to survival) and victims may find themselves wondering why their nervous systems are going into high alert haywire and they stop sleeping or functioning from sensing the underlying primal danger and then blame themselves for ‘overreacting.”

The overall effect of living with this eerie, dysregulating disconnect is ultimately catastrophic ego collapse which is part of the reason the UN Special Rapporteur on Torture includes coercive control among recognized forms. In any event, understanding all this can be a bit of a slog since we’re still in an era of reckoning that not all (or even most or even the worst) abuse involves broken bones, black eyes, bullets and tire irons. But the information is out there for those who look and I think the pursuit is fully worth it for the “aha!” revelations and sense of exoneration that many survivors of entrapment feel for not having “left sooner.” The more survivors learn about the methods that were used to keep them entrapped, the more they will understand their own brilliance (as Evan Stark termed it) in having survived it.

Anyway…there’s my long explanation for why I think you deserve a parade. I wish you peace, strength and joy moving forward out of the fog of war. I hope you stick around here and help others with your “double PhD in escape and survival.”

Last edited 16 hours ago by Hell of a Chump
Archer
Archer
14 hours ago

Always love your posts HOAC!

ExH FW narcopath was not of a physically intimidating build and excelled at sad sausage act as a covert narc, so he would’ve easily gotten away with that fatal accident he was planning for me. The abuse and coercive control did eventually escalate to physical violence but most of the abuse preceded that final dropping of the mask.

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
9 hours ago
Reply to  Archer

I always think that whatever shocking thing these abusers end up doing was precisely what their victims sensed in their guts they would do all along, therefore precisely what kept them in the terror prison and entrapped all along.

But “sensing” isn’t the same as knowing. When there’s no name for something and no proof, it’s even more terrifying and paralyzing– exactly why the “Jaws” monster doesn’t appear until 62 minutes into the film and is only shown for a total of four minutes in the entire film. Only when the damn thing becomes visible can it be stopped which is the double bind for coercive control victims as well. If the formerly non-assaultive, even wimpy seeming abuser never gave prior grounds for a TRO, they can more easily kill you when you try to leave or just because they think you will.

Orlando
Orlando
16 hours ago

Dear Fellow Chump,
Donโ€™t beat yourself up! Women (and many men) have always had to make the hard choice to stay because of lack of money or support system. My momโ€™s husband left her at age 65 to go chase a 40 something woman, who willingly took any money he threw at her then spectacularly dumped him. Yes, he had cheated before apparently too. What did my mom do? She picked herself up, got involved in politics, painting and part time work (nothing flashy, just local stuff) but now has a more fulfilling life and a great set of friends. I asked her did she wish he had left earlier or that she had? She just replied, thereโ€™s a season for everything. No regrets. No beating herself up. It is what it is. I think she is awesome for how she just shrugs off the past and keeps moving forward. I really like โ€œthereโ€™s a season for everythingโ€. There was a season of chumpiness and now thereโ€™s not.
P.S. anyone that goes to therapy and doesnโ€™t do the work? A narcissistic windbag.

Last edited 16 hours ago by Orlando
Elsie_
Elsie_
12 hours ago
Reply to  Orlando

My phrase both to myself and others is, “He’s a previous chapter.”

Then I move onto more interesting topics.

new here old chump
new here old chump
15 hours ago
Reply to  Orlando

I love there’s a season for everthing! thanks for sharing

thumper
thumper
15 hours ago

You and your adult children may need to leave that church. It sounds like nobody there was concerned about you. Find a new one.

Archer
Archer
15 hours ago

OP it’s never too late. And yes tell that AP husband when you’re safely divorced!

Horrifying example of the sort of crap therapist I complain about. A decade of RIC BS and conveniently $ every week to be made off a suffering chump. One of the counselors FW and I saw had met us years ago for a handful of sessions and then became FW counselor. So what if FW own dad was a FW? Despicable old c**t was busy fawning over FW in private emails that concern trolled me.

Finally one of our other marriage counselors told me in private FW was a disordered dangerous man, and to run. I also found Tracy’s book around that time.

Sadly good honest therapists are rare.

Last edited 15 hours ago by Archer
Adelante
Adelante
14 hours ago

32 years of marriage here before my husband confessed in 2015 to his extra-curricular activities, but his devaluing of me stretched back into the very first year of our marriage. It took me three years to leave him, time during which before I discovered Chump Lady I engaged in particularly damaging-to-my-psyche horizontal pick-me dancing. Chump Lady helped me see what I was looking at and going through in a very different way than the one my spackling had always relied on.

Like you, I had my own traumatic past: a mentally-ill father who every few years attempted suicide, and who physically abused my mother and siblings, and sexually abused me, aided and abetted by my mother, who although she didn’t know of the sexual abuse, did know that I could deployed to soothe my father when he was upset, and would tell me “Go sit on Daddy’s lap.” My childhood was one long traumatic deployment on the front lines, although my mother would later say, like some sort of domestic version of Chamberlain explaining why he’d given the Sudetenland to Hitler, that she was “just trying to keep the peace.” No mystery why and where I learned to see my role as managing a husband’s emotions and placating him.

I spent the bulk of my marriage explaining away my husband’s behavior to me as a product of his childhood (his professor father left his mother for a grad student and was a no-show father, and his mother for her part became an alcoholic who regularly verbally assailed/abused her two children). You name it, I could spackle it. For him, anyway, as I didn’t excuse my own behavior as a product of my past. In fact, I would berate myself, second-guessing and accusing myself of jealousy, thoughtlessness, warped personality, wrong-think, whatever. Again, you name it. Anything not to have to admit to myself that my husband was self-centered, self-absorbed, and devalued me–to others and to my face–in large and small ways, and that I was powerless, unless I picked up and left, to do anything about it. So I excused his behavior as either a result of what he’d experienced in his family or blamed my own shortcomings. It never occurred to me that he had agency and needed to be responsible for and held accountable for his actions. It never occurred to me that an explanation is not an excuse. Chump Lady taught me those things, along with much else.

Leaving him after 36 years of marriage and at the age of 64 was the hardest thing I’d ever had to do–and that includes a PhD, my father’s suicide, a tenure battle, and my son’s difficult teenage years. It’s been eight years since I left and divorced him. I still work at the old habit of blaming myself–for everything from allowing him to disrespect me all those years, to blaming myself for taking the blame for his actions (!), to blaming myself for disrespecting myself in allowing it all to happen.

But here’s the thing, Chump26, you–and I, and all the other chumps here–deserve respect for leaving. Rather than disrespecting ourselves for putting up with it so long, we should respect ourselves for being able to say, finally, “Enough!” after years of abuse.

OHFFS
OHFFS
11 hours ago
Reply to  Adelante

“like some sort of domestic version of Chamberlain explaining why heโ€™d given the Sudetenland to Hitler, that she was โ€œjust trying to keep the peace.โ€ No mystery why and where I learned to see my role as managing a husbandโ€™s emotions and placating him.”

Love that comparison.

PhoenixFlame
PhoenixFlame
14 hours ago

I stayed over 12 years. I think I am up to him having 14 APs (pretty much all thought they were in long term relationships with his highness).

I stayed because I couldnโ€™t bear the thought of not seeing my kid 50% of his life. FW was always out โ€œworkingโ€, so I was pretty much 100% of the parent.

That was worth it to me.

He made my life hell after the divorce, (trying to sue me for 100% custody, etc) and married one of the APs)

But now I am in a great place, my relationship with my kid is getting better (he got gaslit for a few years as FW was trying to convince him to move in with him). So donโ€™t beat yourself up. We all have our reasons for waiting.

susie lee
susie lee
14 hours ago

I don’t know how many teams there were for my FW. He told me when he left he had been “dating” for ten years and never loved me. I am going to assume he cheated on our Wedding day and never stopped. I didn’t pick up on anything until about 1.5 to 2 ish years before he walked out. It first started with pulling away, but still going to events and out with friends together and by the end escalated to treating me like dog shit between his toes.

It is very painful to know those years were full of lies, I get that. But I do think you have plenty of time to enjoy your life. Reality is most of us women end up alone for the last few years anyway. Try to enjoy each day. Hopefully you have enough to be comfortable. Get rid of any costly things you really don’t enjoy that much. If you are able to have a lovely shelter dog, that would be amazing. I advise an older smallish dog, in good shape. Read, if you can afford to travel and like that, go for a good trip.

Don’t let him back in your life, even as a friend. He will bring you down every time you see him. Not worth it.

leoaspen
leoaspen
13 hours ago

I am constantly amazed by the growing belief of people in shrinks and in their omnipotence in “curing” any problems in relationships, especially infidelity.
The first advice that cheating victims and cheaters give to each other, as well as outsiders give to these groups, is “therapy!” 
People have stopped working on themselves, taking responsibility, and want decisions to be made for them by “specialists” who supposedly know better what they and their partners need.
But all the therapists in the world can’t undo infidelity, they can’t make the victim of betrayal or the cheater forget the affair. The traces of trauma can’t be erased from their memory or their souls, which is why 100% of those who claim to have successfully reconciled continue to hang out on websites dedicated to infidelity, seeking validation and unsuccessfully searching for unicorn stories.
If third parties are needed to solve problems in a relationship, then such a relationship is doomed, and the formal or informal dissolution of such a relationship/marriage is only a matter of time.
We have created the psychotherapy industry ourselves, unable to withstand the slightest difficulties by using our internal resources, which are what nature has endowed us with and what our upbringing has officially focused on. 
And the reconciliation industry is merely a consequence of the widespread fascination with psychotherapy in modern Western society.
Until we remember that we have to deal with our own difficulties, and that we shouldn’t involve any third parties in our relationships, we’ll continue to waste a lot of money on psychology quacks.

Mr Wonderfuls Ex
Mr Wonderfuls Ex
13 hours ago

I took a long time to leave. The RIC was a big part of that but I also methodically lined up my ducks so I would be OK on the other side. I obtained copies of important documents, documented his cheating, and then was stuck in the house with him through the divorce process. I am of the mind that when it takes one a long time to leave, it sticks because you took a good long time being sure it was over before filing. The important thing isnโ€™t when you did it, itโ€™s THAT you did it. May you live a long long time and enjoy every minute!

2xchump
2xchump
13 hours ago

Yay CHUMP 26!! Yay for coming around to your beautiful self and seeing your worth. Rejection is God’s protection and you are surrounded by friends now. I applaude your courage and saying That’s Enough!!!!
Just for me to know that OW has my first husband who is now obese and miserable at age 73..and #2 Ex is mentally unstable, on special meds, has kidney issue and only thinks about one organ in his body..that OW has him… is enough comfort for me. I didn’t know it but I picked selfish men and if I had gone to the RIC or my church, I could have died in that spot of staying married. I was saved and I am thrilled to be solo. I miss NOTHING except the illusion, the mirage of what I thought I had. I found men I pay, professionals, to do almost everything my Exs used to do. And they don’t complain. God has saved me in his mercy and I remain forever grateful ๐Ÿ™.

ARockingNewLife
ARockingNewLife
13 hours ago

Congratulations! A lot of us stayed too long. I found out about his secret sexual basement nine years into the marriage and stayed another FOURTEEN years through all the seggs addiction nonsense. Five years out and I could not be happier! The best is yet to come!

QuarterCenturyChump
QuarterCenturyChump
12 hours ago

Congratulations, Chump26!!!! You are not alone. I stayed through many, many D-Days, convinced by his empty promises that he would change, and that he “would never, never do it again!” (only to do it again, and again, and again…). I stayed for 14 years after the first D-Day.

My FW was also a horrific disgusting serial cheater, who was also “diagnosed” (let off the hook) as a “se* addict”. We spent YEARS and YEARS in the Reconciliation Industrial Complex, and spent tens of thousands of dollars trying to “cure him” and “save our marriage”.

I’m SO glad you got out! Your life will be SO much better without him! Wishing you all the best! ๐Ÿ™‚

Adelante
Adelante
12 hours ago

I am convinced seggs addicts are in treatment for the centrality. It’s kibbles. And it provides them the perfect excuse for continuing to cheat: “I’m trying, honey, but you know I can’t help myself!”

PeaceAtLast
PeaceAtLast
12 hours ago

The third timeโ€™s a charm. Congratulations! Forgive yourself and move forward.

Chump26
Chump26
12 hours ago

I can’t tell you wonderful people how much I love and appreciate you — your blunt and fearless honesty, your thoughtful and legitimately caring and sharing. You lift me up and give me more to think about and seriously consider. He has only been gone five days and I am able to breathe, had almost forgotten how; I was holding my breath or hyperventilating all the time. He wants to be friends and not file for divorce yet and I am hesitant to go ahead as I fear the repercussions. I like the idea of sending an anonymous letter to the chump of the 20-year AP. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT!!

Archer
Archer
11 hours ago
Reply to  Chump26

You must act now and cry later. FW is scheming against you every moment and is decades ahead of you. Play along if you must act as if you are still the naive chump.

Lawyer up now and find the money. You’re a 4 year old barely playing checkers while your FW has been playing 3D chess against you for years. It’s what I experienced after 3 decades together and FW stole 7 figure sum. Act now cry later.

OHFFS
OHFFS
11 hours ago
Reply to  Chump26

Don’t be friends with that abusive pr*ck, but you could shine him on about that until the divorce is done just to keep him from being troublesome about it.
What repercussions are you afraid of? Has he threatened you, or are you just talking about him making it difficult?

OHFFS
OHFFS
11 hours ago

CL is right, C26. Tell the woman’s husband. He has the right to know the truth about his life. Give him the gift of the ability to free himself from the mindf*ck. He may choose to stay anyway, but maybe he won’t if he sees your example of freeing yourself from abuse. Sell it to him. Send him to this blog.
Congrats on your freedom and mightiness. It’s particularly hard to leave when you are older and have been with the FW for decades. It’s scary to go out on your own when the relationship is all you’ve known for most of your life. Well done! As CL says, give it time to get your happiness back. You don’t need a partner to be happy.

I understand your loneliness. I’m in my early sixties and still trying to find my tribe. My beloved dog, the great love of my life, recently passed away. One of my children, who unfortunately is a lot like the FW, abandoned me not long after DDay. The other one is a darling, thankfully. Loneliness is literally a killer. It shortens your life. So I have been making an effort to find kinship. This blog is helpful for support but it’s not a substitute for friends who understand your pain and share your values. Maybe you need to look for that too?

Regarding being self critical about how long it took you to leave, remember that a lot of people never do. So shift your focus to how brave you are to start over in your seventies.

Last edited 11 hours ago by OHFFS
Velvet Hammer
Velvet Hammer
10 hours ago

Sending major huge hugs to the letter writer today.

I am so sorry you qualify to be here, and so glad you are here.

(((โ™ฅ๏ธ)))

CurlyChump
CurlyChump
9 hours ago

I commented on reddit the other day that I believe couple’s therapy to be a, “racket.” Of course, loads of people, either couple’s therapists or people that had been to individual therapy, responding with their critique’s of my stance.

It’s the counseling medium with the lowest rate of success. Think of how hard it is to find a good, individual therapist. Now, try to find someone that works with two different people likely wanting two different things. Most people are going to couple’s counseling because one party has a problem with the behavior of the other. That’s not how counseling works, you can’t make someone else do anything.

I 100% think individual counseling, with the right professional, can be amazing. I think far more harm has been done to far more people by couple’s counselors. I know of 1 user here who has credited her counselor with calling out her ex-FW’s behavior. That is literally the only positive I have ever heard from a person online, or that I knew in real life. I know far more people that had terrible experiences (self included).

$$ and time are finite resources. Spend it on individual counseling. Chump26 is another cautionary tale. Chump26, don’t be so hard on yourself when it sounds like you had terrible professional advice keeping you stuck.

Mighty Warrior
Mighty Warrior
11 seconds ago

Chump26, you are not alone in feeling regret at having let a situation go on for far too long. The ex refused to be intimate with me for 10 years (my age 49 to 59). I tried to discuss with him regularly, but he would always adopt โ€˜sad faceโ€™ and turn his head away. I really do not know now how I thought this was going to get resolved. During that period we moved house. In 2019 I was unceremoniously dumped after the list of my faults had been catalogued. Shortly afterwards I discovered the affair with his exgf from school. He had remained in contact with her behind my back for all of our 26 years together. She and her husband had moved to Canada (we are in the UK). In effect I had been the body double for her until she became available at the point at which he stopped having sex with me. But then, she had kids and they both had to get their ducks in a row. When he had got sufficient share of equity in our jointly-owned home and, I assume, she was โ€˜freeโ€™, I was discarded. He never admitted the affair: the narrative was that they rekindled after he had left his โ€˜joylessโ€™ marriage with horrible me. Of course, I regret not having walked away when I was 50 but thatโ€™s gone and Iโ€™ve learnt so much, painfully. Iโ€™m 66 now, retiring this Autumn from my role as a partner in a law firm. I never thought I would be able to rebuild my life but I have. It has not been easy, but Iโ€™m now able to focus on myself and my future. We did not have children which made it very easy to go no contact as soon as I discovered the affair (refusing his generous offer to be the โ€˜closest of close friendsโ€™). The risk for you is that you get sucked into his drama (and there will be plenty). My therapist gave me wise advice: make a plan for what you will do if โ€˜you see himโ€™, โ€˜he contacts youโ€™, โ€˜he asks for helpโ€™. I had scripts in my head to deal with such situations and that gave me the confidence when I was vulnerable to be able to cope. If I happened to see him now (unlikely as he has moved back towards his parental home and I am still enjoying everything that London has to offer), he genuinely would be just someone I used to know (and who I didnโ€™t like much). Other people may have already said this, but Iโ€™ll add that your social circle seems to have included far too many cheats and liars. Perhaps think about identifying a new church, new friends who share your values.