What Did You Discover About Your Cheater’s Double Life?

boyfriend's double life

To be a cheater is to have a double life.

Yet it’s rarely described that way in the literature. Instead affairs are discussed as singular mistakes, midlife crises, one-off, and even bad coping mechanisms for stress.

Upon discovery, the chump is supposed to pivot immediately to understanding and forgiveness. (For what exactly? Chumps don’t have the whole story and probably never will.) The standard Reconciliation Industrial Complex advice centers the cheater. We’re supposed to be very invested in their reasons why. Their motivations. Their unhappiness. And of course, their potential to change.

By centering the cheater, and their unhappiness, we avoid looking at the double life deceptions.

Here’s some standard RIC framing from Lauren LaRusso, a therapist I just interviewed for the podcast. Who was chumped and said it changed her perspective. Yet she writes:

While infidelity is often the most visible and painful betrayal in a marriage, it’s not the only one. betrayal comes in many forms and it often does not involveย crossing boundaries outside the relationship at all. It can lookย like neglect, disconnection, emotional withdrawal, or unkindness. And when these behaviors become patterns, they quietly erode the trust and connection that hold a relationship together.

Here’s the part we don’tย talk about enough when the partner who betrayed feels betrayed themselves they’re holding hurt and disappointment that was left unacknowledged or unspoken and it has festered or left them feeling like a victim of the marriage.

Chronic betrayals in a marriage are a quiet interpersonal betrayals that chip away at connection, trust and safety especially when they become habits.

They can leave wounds that are just as deep and many of them stem from emotional immaturity.

It’s about lacking the emotional tools required for true connection and repair.

Yes, but when a chumped partner gives a cutting remark, withdraws, disappoints — they do it OPENLY. Same with the dead bedroom excuse. It’s no secret if you aren’t having seggs. These are false equivalencies. No one is getting an STI from “holding hurt and disappointment.”

Also, we don’t drive people to abuse us. Our faults real or imagined don’t make people create dating profiles or paid girlfriend habits. These are choices. There was an entire decision tree of ethical options — hard conversations, therapy, divorce lawyers — and cheaters chose the double life. To take their “unhappiness” underground.

You’re terrible enough to cheat on, but not quite so terrible that the cheater can’t stop extracting value from you.

Value extraction must happen in secret. Because if you knew, you’d stop investing.

Also, two can play the grudge match of Little Betrayals Make Me Miserable. Chumps have complaints — yet they aren’t out there creating second families with burner phones.

So, the Friday Challenge today is to tell me the extent of your cheater’s double life. What did you discover? Especially beyond the various F buddies. Did they lie about their professional qualifications? Academic record? Were they concealing debt? Pregnancy? Other children?

TGIF!


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Robin
Robin
22 days ago
Reply to  Tracy Schorn

My ex husband was a deacon in our large Catholic Church. His double life included sleeping with multiple women in my church. I found out he had a 10 year affair with 1 divorced woman in my church. I read texts that told me that she thought he was going to leave me for her but after 10 years he was still putting her off & making excuses why he wasn’t leaving me. Well, once I found out about her, I also found out he even cheated on her with another divorced woman in my church! She thought she was special & he slept around on her too! I get asked sometimes if he ended up with the 10 year AP. I love telling people NOPE! He cheated on her too. She found out she wasn’t so special after all.

FormerlyKnownAs
FormerlyKnownAs
24 days ago

Itโ€™s hard to know the full extent of it! But aside from the various types of cheating I found we were 5 years behind on tax filing. FW lied and said it was all being handled with the accountant but it wasnโ€™t. I found out by looking at his email on a joint computer he left after he moved out. He hadnโ€™t paid the accountant so I had to pay them to have my accounts disentangled and have my taxes done separately. It was an expensive nightmare. There were other unpaid bills too. Also, heโ€™d taken credit for various professional achievements at different employers which turned out to all be lies once I did some fact checking- many of these were high profile government jobs. Iโ€™m sure I only know the half of it.

Last edited 24 days ago by FormerlyKnownAs
FreeandHappy
FreeandHappy
24 days ago

Agreed. It’s hard to know the full extent of it. You just have to use an attorney and legally protect yourself as much as possible.

FreeandHappy
FreeandHappy
24 days ago
Reply to  FreeandHappy

A good follow-up question: how much did they get away with? Iโ€™m not sure, but I walked away with enough. Schoopie and FW are married now, and I think that’s punishment in itself. 

FreeandHappy
FreeandHappy
24 days ago
Reply to  FreeandHappy

When I was new to chumpdom, I didn’t realize I was far more financially secure as a single person than married to FW.  

Daughterofachump
Daughterofachump
23 days ago
Reply to  FreeandHappy

It seems from what I’ve read here that FWs tend to be financially irresponsible. My dad was, but my mom paid the bills, so we never had the electricity turned off or anything. But he had a tendency to just go buy things and worry later about how to pay for them.

When my mom finally left and they divorced, I found out that my parents had essentially no savings or investments. All they really had to split was the equity in their house. My mom told me that my dad had refused to save money. My mom was 43 when she left, and I wonder if one reason was that she was worried about how they’d retire. I never thought to ask her, but I wonder.

My dad did get an inheritance from his mother, but he refused to tell my mother what he did with it. (It was separate property.) I suspect he used it to make payroll in his business when he was short. And of course, he probably spent it on his side pieces. He could have invested it in mutual funds and had a nest egg for his old age, but I’m pretty sure he didn’t.

MichelleShocked
MichelleShocked
24 days ago

A year before DDAY, FW got a job as VP of Finance and was on a one year waiting period to become CFO at a small online education company (only about 12 people in a large office space on one floor of a building). Iโ€™d ask how it was going at work and heโ€™d say things were great and he was on track for CFO. DDAY happened the month he was supposed to become CFO. When I discovered he was cheating with a coworker (the one he had helped hire just a few months earlier) I still thought he was going to be CFO and now he was going to be a big boss with big money and working with his f*** buddy. It wasnโ€™t until months later that I ran into his boss and found out FW had already been fired months prior and they were just transitioning him out. His boss told me point blank that FW was horrific and heโ€™d never work with โ€œthat guyโ€ again. Wait what? I had no idea. Now 11 years later heโ€™s in and out of jobs.. currently out of work again. His whole โ€œIโ€™m a great finance guyโ€ thing was BSโ€ฆ no one likes or trusts him

Last edited 24 days ago by MichelleShocked
LookingForwardsToTuesday
LookingForwardsToTuesday
24 days ago

I guess that the biggest discovery was the fact that Ex-Mrs LFTT’s infidelity was not the biggest issue that I was facing.

I found out that she had been running up debts (ยฃ15K unsecured personal loans that went into her account and yet got paid back from the joint account that only I contributed to). I found out about the weekends seeing her work friends that turned out to be dirty weekends with her AP under cover stories provided by said friends. I found out that her Thursday evening Choir Practises with me rushing home to look after the kids were actually date nights with her AP. I found out that she was an alcoholic and very good at hiding it, while she openly criticised me for not being a drinker. I found out she had been diagnosed with and was being treated for depression and not told me (because she didn’t need my help apparently), but had insisted that I was the one who had a M*ntal H*alth problem. I found out that the version of our marriage that she was telling her friends and family about bore no relation to the marriage that our kids and I were living in.

I think that her infidelity was the bit of the iceberg that you could see …. the rest of it was hidden underwater until I had cause to look. I don’t know whether this all countered as a “Double Life,” but there certainly a “hidden reality” until it wasn’t hidden all of a sudden.

LFTT

Caroline
Caroline
24 days ago

I could write a book about these deceptions. At the time, I was involved in a church that was total RIC, and the pastor kept telling me that I just needed to confront Cheater and have an “honest conversation.” IT WAS IMPOSSIBLE! Cheater was living a whole double life and did not want me to know any of it. He denied, denied, denied until I showed proof that I already knew, and then he would get angry that I was “snooping.” Later he would claim I knew all along and was okay with it, and that he only did it because he was sure I already approved. So what was he doing? Here is a short summary of what I found out, but I’m sure it was only the tip of the iceberg:
(1) He had molested a 14-year-old mentally challenged foster child in our care.
(2) He was only reporting about 1/10 of his income for taxes, and then using those taxes to get government benefits like food stamps, heating assistance, etc. He even went to interview appointments at the welfare office to plead his case to get more money “for his starving family.”
(3) He was defrauding our church, the kids’ school, and getting income-based repayment on loans that he didn’t really qualify for.
(4) He was going to hotels when telling me he was out fishing, etc. I even packed lunches for him for his “fishing trips” and watched the kids so he could have time away.
(5) He was running up large debts behind my back, including taking out loans in my name by forging my signature.
(6) He wasn’t paying the mortgage.
(7) He was running up bills with sex workers.
I still wonder where all our money went. At one point, we were making $80,000/year. And he was not paying the mortgage, and he was using government benefits to cover most of our heating and food costs, and he was not paying taxes due to his underreporting. But we were broke and he was taking out loans on credit cards. Where was all the money going? I now suspect a gambling addiction in addition to the sex workers.
Cheater had no intention of stopping any of it. When I hear psychologists say that cheaters are deeply ashamed, it just makes me laugh. He wasn’t even slightly embarrassed. He was just mad that I found out.

Katetheidiot
Katetheidiot
24 days ago
Reply to  Caroline

Thats just horrendous ๐Ÿ™

NoShitCupcakes
NoShitCupcakes
24 days ago
Reply to  Caroline

“(1) He had molested a 14-year-old mentally challenged foster child in our care.”

Please tell us that he was charged for it and is now in custody and/or has to stay x feet away from children, schools, etc.

IANAL – if she ever discloses or this somehow comes out, would YOU be in legal jeopardy if you knew about it (even much later) but didn’t report it? I’d want to consult an attorney and get way ahead of that.

I’m glad you escaped him!

Caroline
Caroline
24 days ago
Reply to  NoShitCupcakes

I really tried to report him, but anyone who has gone through it can tell you it is more easily said than done. Fun fact: I had a HANDWRITTEN, SIGNED statement from him that he wrote to “come clean” and reconcile that detailed his crimes, including the 14-year-old girl. I had fled to Maine from New York. I took it to the Maine police. They told me it was great I got that. They made a copy. Nothing further. I took it to the New York police, but they just told me that the girl was too intellectually incapacitated to testify, and besides, he had moved away to Texas and wasn’t their problem. I took it to the Texas police, and they said the crime occurred in New York, so it wasn’t their issue. Nobody did anything. I turned him in for tax evasion and benefit fraud also. To the best of my knowledge, nobody did anything. He has never spent one day in jail, in spite of a handwritten, signed statement confirming his fraud and abuse.

Daughterofachump
Daughterofachump
23 days ago
Reply to  Caroline

This is terrible, but, at least you’re covered because you reported it. IANAL, but I think that means you can’t be charged as an accessory. Assuming any charges are ever filed.

Last edited 23 days ago by Daughterofachump
PrincipledLife
PrincipledLife
24 days ago
Reply to  Caroline

Caoline:

I don’t think they are ashamed either. My husband’s sex addiction therapist was always banging on about hs supposed ‘toxic shame.’ I don’t believe in toxic shame, though I do think regular old shame, classic shame, exists and serves a useful purpose. When you feel shame at your behavior it is a motivator to never do that thing again. This is the way that normal brains work; for those with personality disorders, like narcissists, this is broken.

I’ve been watching a lot of Dr. Peter Salerno on YouTube, who says there is no scientific evidence for this engulfing shame causing bad behavior theory. His is a simpler theory: that they are without empathy and do what they do because they enjoy it and it is simply how their brains work, their ‘operating system’ as it were. Lots of research backs him up.This resonates with me and my experiences married to a (formally diagnosed) NPD.

Towards the end of my relationship, my husband did not disguise the glee he felt at anything that hurt me. When you see the malevolence behind the dropped mask it is shocking and transformative.

Last edited 24 days ago by PrincipledLife
Caroline
Caroline
24 days ago
Reply to  PrincipledLife

Yes, I used to just marvel at the lack of embarrassment my then-husband had. He pursued several teenage girls at our church, but one in particular who was the pastor’s daughter. She was in her teens, and he offered her a job working with him in his business. He obviously had a thing for her and texted her all the time. I told him to leave her alone. He said, “We are friends. Am I not allowed to have FRIENDS?” I said, “You are 55! She is 17! No! You can’t be friends with a 17-year-old girl! That’s weird!” He had no shame about it, not one moment of thinking, “This is inappropriate.” When she finally left for college, he cried and cried–not because he was embarrassed, but because she stopped texting him, and he said, “I guess she only considered me her boss after all!” No shame at all. Total NPD. Didn’t care about anyone but himself.

Best Thing
Best Thing
23 days ago
Reply to  Caroline

Beyond delusional, thank goddess you got free. I’m curious about what the pastor did or said, in general since your FW was pursuing several girls at church, and then what he did or said about his own daughter?

MollyWobbles
MollyWobbles
24 days ago
Reply to  PrincipledLife

Oh yes, the old “toxic shame” BS. My exFW was always saying that he couldn’t take full accountability because he would “shame spiral”. He wouldn’t allow me to share my feelings about what he had done because of his “horrible shame”. Well, how about you don’t do things to feel ashamed of then?!

PrincipledLife
PrincipledLife
24 days ago
Reply to  MollyWobbles

Snort! Molly, imagine if we had to protect perpetrators from toxic shame in other areas. No bringing up to any politician the 8 million promises they made prior to the election because it might shame them. No talking about mugging to any mugger who just thumped an old lady on the head and stole her purse. No mention of abuse to the oh-so-sensitive parents who beat their baby into a coma because ‘toxic shame’ might ensue.

FYI_
FYI_
24 days ago
Reply to  Caroline

Please tell me that pastor found out about the 14-year-old girl and apologized profusely to you.

Caroline
Caroline
24 days ago
Reply to  FYI_

Yep, he found out. In fact, he was in the room when my then-husband signed a handwritten confession admitting to all of it. The confession starts: “This is my confession to my wife in the presence of Pastor Tom and Elder Powers.” and he signed it. They told me it was to help me put it behind me and reconcile. Then they threatened to put me on trial in the church if I tried to leave the marriage. I still have the statement. I honestly thought they would do something about that if they knew for sure that he did it. They didn’t.

Best Thing
Best Thing
23 days ago
Reply to  Caroline

“…threatened to put me on trial…” Please, oh please tell me you left that church. No offense intended but… wow, that’s crazy.

Daughterofachump
Daughterofachump
23 days ago
Reply to  Tracy Schorn

Agreed.

lulutoo
lulutoo
24 days ago
Reply to  Caroline

Gee, if he was defrauding your church, your pastor should have just had an “honest conversation” with him. I’m sure that would have cleared the whole thing up!

Caroline
Caroline
24 days ago
Reply to  lulutoo

They had lots of “honest conversations” in which they agreed that it was my fault in some way. I never really did get clear what my grand sin was that drove him to do all those things. When they refused to even remove my husband from working with kids or from the trustee board even after he signed a handwritten confession admitting to all the stuff, I took it up with the Presbytery. My pastor then circulated a letter at Presbytery saying I had been graped by my grandfather (which was not even true) and was now a controlling shrew. He admitted in the letter that my husband did those things, but he said my husband was repentant and that I was just unforgiving. The sad thing was that one of the young girls my husband pursued was the pastors own daughter. He didn’t even care. Hindsight being 20/20, the pastor was doing a lot of those things himself.

Daughterofachump
Daughterofachump
23 days ago
Reply to  Caroline

Not to mention that (IANAL) I believe by state law, clergy are mandated reporters of child abuse. So any clergy members who know and don’t report are, I think, accessories. This may depend on the exact laws where the abuse occurred, of course.

lulutoo
lulutoo
24 days ago
Reply to  Caroline

Caroline, your pastor’s collusion is so horrendous that it is even hard to find words to describe the level of revulsion. I am so THANKFUL you left the church and the marriage. Who knows what lengths they would have gone to, to keep you silent. You are a hero!

Chumped Queen Treasure
Chumped Queen Treasure
24 days ago
Reply to  Caroline

U win the most sparkly turd award

Caroline
Caroline
24 days ago

Thanks! lol. Sadly, he wasn’t even that sparkly. I truly wonder what I was thinking. He was ten years older than me–married me when I was barely nineteen and he was 29. And he was already broke and in debt and had a trash-filled trailer that he lived in. The sad thing was that everyone in my church supported me marrying him. Not even one person suggested it might be a bad idea. I didn’t really want to marry him, but I was told he would mend his ways once he was married. He didn’t.

Adelante
Adelante
24 days ago

Leaving aside the betrayal of finding out that his relationship with an ex-student had moved far beyond the mentorship and support he’d told me about to become overtly sexual, here are the two main things I learned that I consider the fundamental betrayals that opened my eyes to the kind of man he actually was as opposed to the man I thought he was:

I learned that rather than being the feminist he professed to be, he held profoundly regressive views of women, and acted them out sexually, getting his sexual jollies from pretending to be the woman who wanted to be “taken against her will.” He spent a lot of time online in this secret sexual basement of his.

I learned he was perfectly okay with lying to me and manipulating me in order to get what he wanted. In fact, he’d lied to me at the beginning of our relationship, when I was still unsure of how much I wanted to get involved with him. He told me he’d intervened with his uncle over a racist act, something that made me believe he was honorable, had values similar to mine, and would act on them, which was instrumental in my belief I could trust him. When I brought that story up near the end of our 36 year marriage, he said, “That never happened. I was lying a lot in those days.”

There are many things I will never know, because I decided that the things he’d hinted at that were far worse than anything I had seen or that he’d told me about I didn’t need to know the details of, because I already knew enough to know I needed to leave and end the marriage.

Last edited 24 days ago by Adelante
FreeandHappy
FreeandHappy
24 days ago
Reply to  Adelante

“I lied a lot in those days.” The mask came off.

PrincipledLife
PrincipledLife
24 days ago
Reply to  Adelante

Mine the same, Adelante. An autogynephilic tran***tite, although there are so many labels for his inclinations that many apply. Others: sadist, p*do. Hell of a Chump once just referred to him and people like him as ‘abuseosexuals’ which fits pretty darn well.

He betrayed me in every way it is possible to betray a person. At first your mind focuses on the seggs because that is often the first thing discovered. But eventually you uncover the lies baked into everything. In reviewing records for the divorce, I’ve identified multiple felonies, going back decades. It was easier to forgive myself (though not completely there yet) for not seeing through the mask once I realized he’d invested decades in perfecting it.

Daughterofachump
Daughterofachump
23 days ago
Reply to  PrincipledLife

My Dog! I thought Adelante’s story was unusual. How common IS this behavior?

FreeandHappy
FreeandHappy
24 days ago
Reply to  PrincipledLife

Thatโ€™s why I like Traceyโ€™s blog so much. To think Melinda French and Christie Brinkley were duped the same way. It doesnโ€™t matter how beautiful, academic, or successful you are; you can fall for this BS.

FYI_
FYI_
24 days ago
Reply to  Adelante

“in those days” — ๐Ÿคฃ But not much since!?

Viktoria
Viktoria
24 days ago

Yes, someday, perhaps a memoir of my own. In the meantime, here’s my summary:

Hook ‘er habit. Mostly 20- somethings. A girl in every city he worked in. He’d order them online, like a Door dash hamburger. They would go to his hotel restaurant, and they would have dinner together before adjourning to his hotel room. Or he’d go to her motel room.

Massage parlor, er, attendants. In cities he worked in. He wasn’t getting a back massage.

Gambling. I learned my children knew of this and were told not to tell me about it.

Online searches and purchases that were of an, um, adult nature, as far as toys go.

Finally, financial fraud. He defrauded me via money in many ways: lying about savings, cheating me out of our 401K (yes he got away with that), borrowing money from many, many different sources, and keeping that all a secret from me. We are talking hundreds of thousands of dollars.

“Secret sexual double life” is a very helpful phrase for us to use. It emphasizes that the cheater is a slick and shady confidence man, a liar, a manipulator, an imposter, a fraud and a traitor. And in many cases (in mine for sure), a criminal.

FYI_
FYI_
24 days ago

Say again on emotional immaturity, Lauren!?!? Wow.

JeffWashington
JeffWashington
24 days ago

Ahh, the classic “Cheaters have feelings and may feel shorted, too!” gambit.

I have spoken on this before-during our final ever encounter she had let slip that there had been more than one affair (and yes, in the fashion of the Traitor people, she tried to couch it as the one she confessed to even though 0 details added up). And without the hindrance of rose colored glasses-I now have significant suspicions about other periods in our “marriage” as well.

The major one is the level of financial irresponsibility…well, ok, the actual degree of it. I am still digging myself out from credit card debt that she generated in my name three years later. And at the time of her departure she owed ~$10K to social security from overpayments and had since we lived together (which she was really, REALLY weird about calling them to address it-I think she was funneling it to her family). After her departure she refused to update her address and the Past Dues, Registered Letters, and Final Notices started pouring in (all dutifully marked “return to sender” and shot back off after she skipped town unannounced). Fortunately none of that was in my name-I was wise not to co-sign on anything (though my dumb ass DID let her use my cards).

Of course, the funny thing is that she gave me a big speech on the way out the door about how she didn’t need me financially anymore and that she would get by on her own without me without much difficulty. I guess it’s pretty easy to live when you don’t pay your bills and run from it.

And I know I talked about this recently-back in May I got a summons with her name on it. I tossed it back in the mail but ran a public records search-she had defaulted on a credit card and was getting taken to court (as again-she never updated her mailing address). When I ran it by a family member (as it was quite triggering to think she may stop by if she knew about it), they let me know that she was married and moved to Canada. The idiot literally defected to another country to try and avoid all the debt that she accrued.

Having just passed the third anniversary of D-Day and “losing” her…you know, I re-read what I just wrote and am very, very glad that I never owned a home or had children with this moron. I would have lost the home and I know our kid would be in deplorable financial conditions owing to THAT..and that’s before having a Traitor for a parent.

Have a Traitor Free Friday!

PeaceAtLast
PeaceAtLast
24 days ago
Reply to  JeffWashington

Also lucky no kids because no reason for any further contact!

FYI_
FYI_
24 days ago
Reply to  JeffWashington

Nearly every single post today discusses cheaters and financial fraud. Why doesn’t the RIC focus on that? The entitlement isn’t limited to seggs — it’s money too. I mean, if someone stole $10k from Lauren-the-therapist, would she forgive and focus on how she must’ve betrayed them too?

SadDadInPlaid
SadDadInPlaid
24 days ago

There were so many things with my STBXW, hereโ€™s a couple of the worst ones from the top of my head:

She started having our kids sleep over at Schmoopieโ€™s house. Schmoopieโ€™s wife was her best friend, her kids were friends with our kids, so this wasnโ€™t suspicious right away. But we hadnโ€™t previously let our kids sleep over because there were not enough beds for them (neither the kids nor my STBXW) to sleep in. Suddenly after the affair started this was no longer a problem, and they all slept on the couch. We later found out she and Schmoopie had reorganized all the sleeping arrangements for the kids on those nights so that they could have a quickie after everyone else went to bed. Yes, they repeatedly hooked up when both of our sets of kids and Schmoopieโ€™s wife were all sleeping just down the hall.

She started taking โ€œme timeโ€ every Sunday afternoon. She said her new job was too stressful, and she needed time alone every Sunday afternoon to decompress away from me and the kids. No phone calls unless it was an emergency. And she could never really explain what she did for those hours, it was always something vague like โ€œI read a book in the parkโ€ (in the middle of a Midwest winter). Turns out โ€œme timeโ€ just so happened to align with Schmoopieโ€™s wifeโ€™s weekly lunch date with her mom and the kids. For some reason, after DDay this weekly โ€œme timeโ€ session was no longer neededโ€ฆ

Daughterofachump
Daughterofachump
23 days ago
Reply to  SadDadInPlaid

!!!

Beowolf
Beowolf
24 days ago

Well, the biggest one was that he had another child who he had with a married woman before we met. Yes, he knew about the child and never let me know because it would have been a dealbreaker. I wrote Tracy about it several years ago and I was the one who ended up telling our daughter because I didn’t want her to be blindsided in the future. I still don’t know if she ever let him know that she knew. Plan to question her on that soon.

He was also into teenage porn. I always wondered why he never pursued seggs with me and after talking to a therapist who specialized in porn addiction, he let me know that porn deadens the seggs drive. That men who participate keep wanting bigger and more thrills. He obviously moved on from me. Thank God I had this therapist because he made me realize I had to get out of the marriage.

Looking back I fully believe that there were more affairs before the one I found out. But I am out now and though I have been through trauma I am on the other side and enjoying life with peace.

Daughterofachump
Daughterofachump
23 days ago
Reply to  Beowolf

You were wise to tell your daughter. She might have found out somehow through a genealogy site, and it would have been a shock.

I realized years ago that my father may have had another child or children. He started cheating on my mom when I was in high school – at least, AFAIK – so I may have a younger sibling(s) out there somewhere. None has turned up, so far, but you never know.

Rensselaer
Rensselaer
24 days ago

Before I found Chump Lady and her brilliant commentators I thought that infidelity betrayal was a singular poor choice. Therefore his denial, blameshifting, and equating were confusing. I thought that he would adult up, own up, and repair. Now I understand that the cluster B personality issues that drove his behaviors are who he is. Lying meant to mislead and manipulate is his basic operating system so nothing is off the table in order to get and do what he wants. I don’t have a specific revelation concerning his double life other than to say that it is obvious to me now in every aspect of our life together.

Anonymous
Anonymous
24 days ago

I found out that he went to places where men would gather to partake in s*xual acts. He participated in this for our entire 30 year marriage and I had no idea. Iโ€™m still really confused about it.

Adelante
Adelante
23 days ago
Reply to  Anonymous

Please tell me you had yourself tested for STIs.

OutButNotDown
OutButNotDown
24 days ago

Unlike the affair, I don’t have solid proof but there are 3 things I believe he was up to in his double life 1) shady financial dealings – and we were in full-time ministry!, 2) bi behavior, possibly acted out, possibly the source of my STIs, 3) fathering an illegitimate son in the developing country where we lived.

The latter became a family joke from “Fakebook” and we all teased him about it while laughing. After finding out about his 3-year love affair with the same countrywoman 2 decades later, I now think he probably *did* father a child while traveling in that area at that time.

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
24 days ago

What I discovered about double lives is that, if you’re able to find out some of the things they don’t want to tell you, double lives are hilarious in a haha-groan-ick kind of way.

The first comic effect is the vast divide between the romantic fantasy FWs and their proxies think they’re living vs. the humiliating, pathetic reality of it. CL just published a great Substack article about how, statistically speaking, most FWs and APs can’t possibly be as objectively irresistible as they seem to think they are and this proved true in my situation. For example, FW assumed he and his direct-report affair partner were being discrete but that, even if some knew about the workplace affair, he imagined himself the envy of all men for his conquest. Meanwhile, his younger coworkers had running jokes about the affair and eviscerating nicknames for him and the affair partner.

But seeing the humor doesn’t necessarily preclude grasping the seriousness of the fallout. It was actually one of those icked-out younger coworkers who anonymously blew the whistle on the affair because he knew kids were involved and was losing sleep over it.

If you’re going to have this kind of bad news delivered, I can’t think of a better emissary than someone who gets both the absurdity and the horror at the same time. I think the way I found out helped me sidestep certain typical D-Day hazards like being infected by a cheater’s romantic delusions about their behavior or that isolating fear that bystanders are applauding the betrayal or wondering what the third party has that you don’t have, etc. I didn’t even have a chance to sink into that toxic mental trap because I got some of the slapstick details right out of the gate about the adventures of “Viagra Dick and Debbie-wise the Gutter Clown.”

But there was definitely some real horror involved, like the way my kids– who all have complex and expensive medical needs– were starved of critical resources by massive secret financial dissipation during the affair and ended up with worsening chronic health issues. FW was playing the overworked martyr and pretending we were poor while basically watching the kids crash. It explains why he would rage at me and accuse me of “pessimism” and “catastrophizing” when I would try to tell him about the kids’ growing health concerns and their need for out-of-pocket remedies. The kids were also destabilized by FW’s escalating coercion and psychological abuse towards me. Worse, there was this kind of “Roman circus” effect where he use the negative impact his behavior had on me as grounds to cast me as an “unfit parent” and began making custodial threats. For instance, he decided my stress-induced radical weight loss and increasing insomnia were proof of “ED” and general craziness, ergo “dangerous parent.” I started having serial nightmares about him taking the children away.

The abuse and entrapment got so bad over the course of more than a year that it was actually a relief to learn the truth. The “Deep Throat”– who called from a burner and was pretty cautious at first for fear of being shot as the messenger– also seemed relieved when I started laughing and opened up about the absurd stuff he’d been forced to witness or learned about. It was a truly weird conversation because we were both cracking up.

But again, getting the irony of something or engaging in gallows humor doesn’t preclude grasping how awful the thing is. In fact, as a survival response, gallows humor can apparently measure the degree of trauma involved. I read later on a message board for HR professionals that bystanders to workplace affairs– especially extramarital affairs– can often experience symptoms of PTSD. There seems to be an intuitive understanding among humans that people who engage in double lives and major boundary violations can be potentially dangerous so bystanders may feel stricken with fear of retaliation if they “tell” or if it’s even known that they know. Consequently, they may feel burdened with the knowledge of collateral harm and develop issues with their own moral identities.

The above all seemed to apply in the case of the “whistleblower.” I guess that’s one very important thing I learned about double lives: not all bystanders automatically default to assuming victims had it coming as a means of defending their own silent complicity. After all, every dictatorship has underground resistors. I feel very lucky that I got proof of that principle at a time when I could have gotten bogged down in existential despair, isolation and exhaustion. The truth can definitely set us free but the source of the truth matters and whether we’re getting it in unexpurgated form and not just bits and pieces filtered through abusers’ self-serving delusions.

That was another thing I read about– something called “cognitive capture” where victims end up being spellbound (also called “projective identification”) by perpetrators’ rationalizations which, in serial offenders, usually involve demonizing victims and fabricating false moral grounds to commit the offenses. But that can only happen in isolation or when social context echoes and supports perpetrators’ false alibis and distortions.

Last edited 24 days ago by Hell of a Chump
FreeandHappy
FreeandHappy
24 days ago

Multiple aliases, one legal name change, post office boxes, and more than one social security number. One document I unwittingly signed making a second home (acquired during the marriage) his separate property.

$7,000 in Schmoopies rent over three months + vacations and date money. Worries about HSV2; he got it, fortunately, I didnโ€™t, but it took months to get a clear result. After moving in with his affair partner, despite being legally obligated, without telling me, he removed me from the health insurance during the pandemic.

I wouldnโ€™t be surprised to see my ex in an orange jumpsuit. He didnโ€™t cheat with multiple women, but he was a cheat through and through.

Elsie_
Elsie_
24 days ago

For years, he had been hiding a pill addiction, and then there was his preaching. He that when they put him on the schedule, but meanwhile presented as a godly husband and father at church. At home, he was a horror. When high, he was completely full of himself and out of it, even delusional at times. That never affected his sermons. He also had a habit of stonewalling, sometimes not speaking to me for a month and then manipulating me into taking responsibility with the threat of divorce. He came from a very conservative family of preachers and missionaries who believed in “no divorce, ever.” At church, I had to watch who I spoke to because he’d quiz me afterward. I had to maintain his image and stay within the lines. That began to seriously crush me.

There was also a girlfriend that he dated before me who remained in the wings. I don’t completely know the extent, but she called and sent cards periodically. From what I knew, she was quite the man predator. She said my husband was the “best man I’ve ever known.” What a thing to say to his wife when you call the house when he’s at work! She lived in another state, but I felt very, very uneasy about her. When our marriage began to develop serious cracks, he started talking more and more about her as his ideal woman. Yes, after decades of marriage.

He decided to make the bedroom his retirement hobby after we separated the first time. That deeply distorted everything, particularly when he proposed an open relationship and went to the local shady massage parlor. We split again, and he landed where the old girlfriend lived. He was perpetually vague about his doings, and hinted at other “friends.” More delusions and upsetting conversations and emails. On my own, I uncovered more, some of it very upsetting.

He kicked off the divorce with a phone call. That was telling. I lawyered up first when negotiating with my STBX became like negotiating with a terrorist, and then he lawyered up with the unethical pit bull he had been talking about for years. This local attorney used to take up full-page ads in the local paper, something my then-husband liked to shame me with when he was threatening divorce.

In time, his attorney began to turn on his client when my STBX tried to power over his own attorney. Pro tip: don’t try to power over an expensive family law attorney who specializes in high-asset divorce for the local rich and famous. We were ordinary people, trust me. During that time, his attorney chose to blab to mine way more than he should have, and the revelations were horrifying. I told my attorney to keep notes and stop sharing that with me.

Ultimately, we reached a fair settlement, pushed hard by the attorneys. Sitting through the horrors of my marriage in the courtroom had no appeal for me. I quickly came to meh after the judge signed off and laughed my way through my ex’s antics in a messy closeout. Eventually, my ex let go and moved on. As my closeout attorney said, I had become a hard target.

My current term for my ex is “shape shifter,” which stuck for me when I was re-reading the Tony Hillerman books and watching “Dark Winds” on Netflix some time back. I don’t deal with that sort of thing in people anymore, nope-nope-nope. Give me people who are real and the same through and through!

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Tiggerly
Tiggerly
24 days ago

“Theyโ€™re holding hurt and disappointment that was left unacknowledged or unspoken and it has festered or left them feeling like a victim of the marriage.” This is something that’s taken me a long time to learn: Needing someone else to acknowledge my feelings leaves me dependent on other people for my well-being. I’ve found it powerful to acknowledge my own feelings. I think depending on other people to acknowledge what I’m feeling lets my well-being rest in other peoples’ hands.

Daughterofachump
Daughterofachump
23 days ago
Reply to  Tiggerly

Ridiculous. Your feelings are your feelings and are valid whether or not other people acknowledge them.

Rozanne Whalen
Rozanne Whalen
23 days ago

That was my point too. But in my case, it was something I needed to learn.

FreeandHappy
FreeandHappy
24 days ago
Reply to  Tiggerly

Yes. Similarly, I can’t be responsible for another person’s happiness. It doesn’t work that way.

Anita
Anita
24 days ago

Wow, these are some horrible, horrible stories. I don’t think most people outside of chumps realize what crappy people cheaters really are. It’s not a matter of ” forgiving” them cause you can’t forgive character flaws and what a person actually is.

FW I was dealing with was actually a *16 year old boy* in a 40ish man’s body. Completely selfish absorbed and lazy. His ideal life is staying up late watching TV, sleeping late, being Self Employed, and juggling 2 women he’s pitted against each other. I think the time period after I discovered his cheating was probably the high point of his life. Being caught up in the pick me game between 2 women, like he was the star quarterback and we were 2: rival cheerleaders brawling over him.

Elsie_
Elsie_
24 days ago
Reply to  Anita

Good insights.

For me, forgiveness meant letting go of the tug-of-war rope with my ex so I could walk away. It was deliberate; the game was over. I went my way. He went his way. He held onto the rope for quite a while, trying to entice me again. Nope.

He was a thoroughly horrible person with deep character flaws. I had no business having anything to do with someone like that, especially given his deep hatred of me and desire for vengeance.

From what little I know, he did not pick quality women after me. That spoke volumes too.

Marcus
Marcus
23 days ago
Reply to  Elsie_

>For me, forgiveness meant letting go of the tug-of-war rope with my ex so I could walk away. It was deliberate; the game was over. I went my way. He went his way. He held onto the rope for quite a while, trying to entice me again. Nope.

That’s a helpful image – thanks.

Ruby Gained A Life
Ruby Gained A Life
24 days ago
Reply to  Anita

Itโ€™s not a matter of โ€ forgivingโ€ them cause you canโ€™t forgive character flaws and what a person actually is.

This is brilliant! I have never thought of it this way before, and I wish I had because then I would have had something to counter the “Forgiveness Trolls” who insist that you’re a bad person and a worse Christian for not forgiving a cheater’s “mistakes.” Thank you! Going forward, this is going to be my motto about forgiveness.

FreeandHappy
FreeandHappy
24 days ago

One day, I decided to study the meaning of the word “forgivenessโ€ and I discovered it means different things to different people. Try figuring out what it means to you. Specifically, try figuring out what it doesnโ€™t mean. I havenโ€™t forgiven FW, but as I work hard on building my own life, I get closer to it. One thing is for sure: if and when I do, itโ€™s for my own benefit, not his.

Anita
Anita
24 days ago

Thank you, Ruby Gained a Life. I don’t really agree with most of the people around me about forgiveness. I don’t think it’s purpose is to make you “feel better” but if it does I’m happy for the person. I believe the purpose of forgiveness is ” correction”. You admit you did something wrong and take steps to correct your behavior. Without those 2 things, there’s no groundwork to forgive anyone.

Elsie_
Elsie_
23 days ago
Reply to  Anita

Divorce Minister is more eloquent about this, but Luke 17:3-4 implies that forgiveness is not required without repentance.

The broader goal of forgiveness is peace. If they are truly repentant, you can either forgive and go on with them or go your own way. If they are not repentant, well, peace isn’t possible, is it? The best you can do is drop the rope and go your own way, even if it is limited because of custody issues.

Anita
Anita
24 days ago

Ruby Gained a Life, thank you! My ideas about forgiveness are totally different than the people around me. First, I don’t even know how to do it. If somebody wronged me and is not remorseful I can’t pretend to “forgive” them. It’s an emotion, and I can’t change that. I believe the purpose of forgiveness is correction of whatever you did wrong. If you don’t believe you did anything wrong and as a result don’t do anything to correct your actions, there’s no forgiveness. I definitely don’t buy into the ” Forgive others so you feel better” because I do not.

Anita
Anita
24 days ago
Reply to  Anita

I forgot to say that I think FW and his girlfriend are ideal for each other. She is as immature and shallow as he is. They actually both think they are ” good people”. Can’t get any more delusional than that.

Elsie_
Elsie_
23 days ago
Reply to  Anita

From what I’ve heard, my ex still believes that he is a solid, godly person. I am the “Jezebel,” the one who threw off our vows and denied God’s order.

Yes, delusion.

Ruby Gained A Life
Ruby Gained A Life
24 days ago

Where do I begin? I discovered that he was not, in fact, heterosexual but had married me in an attempt to stay firmly closeted. I’m not sure how that worked out for him when he was cheating with Father Steve. I found out after I left from his friends’ wives that Father Steve wasn’t his first indiscretion, and that at least one of those women was fully clued in to her husband’s sexuality and was supposedly OK with it. That was just one of my cheaters.

When I found out about my second abusive husband’s double life, I thought it was just the one affair — which was bad enough to leave him over. After I left, I found out he had been cheating on me on and off for 22 years — the entire length of our relationship. People came out of the woodwork to tell me about affairs he’d had, affairs to with I was mostly oblivious. I also found out about the money he’d been taking from his 401k, and not paying taxes on. I found that out a year after I left him when the IRS demanded their share and he refused to pay. I had been filing fraudulent joint income tax returns for years because he’d been withdrawing money without telling me. I saw his paycheck stubs and I saw the deduction for retirement savings. But the statements went directly to him, and he conveniently “couldn’t find them” when it was time to do the taxes.

I also discovered he was planning fatal “accidents” for me, and sadly for him, none of them “paid off.” I found out that he had not done the work on our boat he said he had been doing and that it’s value was much less that he said it was because of below-the-waterline damage he had not disclosed to me. I believed all the awful things he told me about his ex and their daughter — and after I left, I found out that he had been lying the whole time. About that, and so many other things. I found out that the string of car accidents he’d had were not, as he’d claimed, “the other guy’s fault” and that the insurance company was in the midst of canceling his coverage. I only retained insurance when I left him. I found out he wasn’t paying for his health insurance, because he (rightly) figured that if he got into medical debt, I would help him pay it. Lucky for me, I discovered that BEFORE he got into medical debt and made it clear I wouldn’t be paying his medical bills. I discovered he had led his nursing license expire so he “wouldn’t have to get another job.” There are more, but I am so demoralized by listing all of these that I’m going to go for a nice, long walk instead.

Stepbystep
Stepbystep
24 days ago

Not sure if directly related, but occurred to me years later. The first was that his siblings had a tolerance for infidelity by others that may have provided a subtle permission.

Secondly, that I was the former girlfriend of a friend as was EVERY romantic interest FW ever had. He never needed to sell himself because was known as a good guy.

All a Blur
All a Blur
24 days ago

I’ve always been mystified how my ex-wife was able to work 90 hours per week and pursue other men. It turns out that when you are an estate agent you can come up with all kinds of novel uses for empty houses. Maybe she got the idea from a 70s porm plot.

Daughterofachump
Daughterofachump
23 days ago
Reply to  All a Blur

!!!

Best Thing
Best Thing
24 days ago

My experience was different than many I have just read. My FW did not engage in financial fraud or go to extracurricular workers or disappear for nefarious reasons, or father secret children. (Let me add “to my knowledge” because if he was successful in hiding things then how would I ever know?) Many months ago I heard this saying: “A good man will stumble; a bad man will trample.” I think my FW fits here. He certainly had his problems through our 37 year relationship, but nothing that was shocking to me. Even his early-on EA was something that he and I talked about reasonably. I was ready to divorce at that time but we patched it up and continued for 30 more years. He absolutely had narcissistic and emotionally abusive tendencies but he reserved that part of himself for me, and to a lesser extent our son when he became a tween. Everyone thought he was a great guy and that I was very lucky to have him. So that was the stumble part, and I should not have put up with it, but he didn’t reach full on trample until Mrs. Bendover got hold of him. I’m not blaming her for his actions, that’s all on him, but for whatever reason (Bendover) he became vicious and cruel, still mostly to me but now everyone around him got a share. Everyone was blown away by the change in him. Forget “Run, Forrest, run!” It was more like “Here he comes – everybody scatter and hide!” To this day I still wonder if he had an aneurysm which caused the mini-stroke 2.5 years after D-Day. I’ll never know that for sure either.

Oh boy, here I go
Oh boy, here I go
24 days ago

I’m only a few months into this, but, wow, the deeper I dig, the more I find.
The solid financial foundation I relied on isn’t there.
The communication based upon assumed truths aren’t true.
It’s almost like the life I lived wasn’t real.

But I’m rapidly acquiring wisdom that is very hard earned.

Katetheidiot
Katetheidiot
24 days ago

I discovered the level and volume of cheating that I’d only suspected. In fact I was convinced he just sought out other women for company and attention and not seggs. How wrong was I! It was all about seggs and not love/companionship/friendship etc. I also found out he pretended he was a Doctor as he is very well spoken, drives a fancy car and dresses well. 2 illegitimate daughters came to light in the process.

Daughterofachump
Daughterofachump
23 days ago
Reply to  Katetheidiot

Wow. Not one, but TWO! From different women, I assume.

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2xchump
2xchump
24 days ago

The HR investigation into coworker activities in empty rooms while on working hours. He was only worried about not being fired and threw his soul mate under the bus. The investigation came to light on D day. His entire mask came off and stayed off. It was a frightening person I lived with whom I imagined to be human.

Chumplet
Chumplet
24 days ago

The worst part of it all: He was mean and toxic to our kids when my back was turned. Despite supposedly always being on board with how โ€œweโ€ raised our kids, he would be Mr. Hard A** to them whenever he got them alone. Our daughter has severe dyslexia and went to a special school. When she was 8 or 9, he got mad *at her* that she hadnโ€™t been taught multiplication yet. Did he sit down and teach her himself? No, he did not. He told her to figure it out for herself. She just told me that, years later. This special school was all about preserving a childโ€™s self-confidence and bucking them up as they tried their hardest to learn to read โ€” and he was willing to blow that all up. Luckily (?), he tried to do that again when I could hear and she saw me get angry at him and defend her. Around the same age, he blamed her for a parking ticket he got (because she refused to sit in his doubled-parked car while he did an errand). When he got home, he handed me the ticket to pay (cuz thatโ€™s the kind of stuff I did, running our daily life) and never said he was mad at her. (I would have torn him a new a** hole if he had). I only found out about that about a month ago, 20 years later. She always felt guilty about that.

The times I did see something, Iโ€™d tell him to knock it off and heโ€™d be all apologetic, though sometimes heโ€™d get mad that I wasnโ€™t presenting a united front with him as parents (!!!). But also โ€” and hereโ€™s where I feel sickest โ€” because he was a doctor working long hours (or so I thought) and because he constructed a bumbling absent-minded professor air to get out of doing anything he didnโ€™t want to do and because he came from a toxic FOO, I would say, Oh, heโ€™s tired or Oh, thatโ€™s Dad. And my kids learned to as well. Which makes me feel so sick now.

He thinks I am turning our now-adult children against him, but really, when they examine their childhood memories of him, knowing what they now know, THEY convince ME that, yeah, no contact is how they should go for their own emotional health.

dracaena
dracaena
24 days ago

When my child was a baby, I used a chat board for struggling mothers as my main support. They would sometimes reality check my fw’s behavior, like, “Wow, you and the baby are sleeping on the floor? I would end my husband if he did that to me!”

After I discovered the affair, I thought back to some weird offhand comments my fw had made about the forum, and I followed a hunch to go back and look at it.

My fw had signed up for an account and made a bunch of posts complaining about me, saying that I was lazy, a gold digger, that I played video games all day, that I was addicted to drugs, just outright falsehoods. Everyone had responded to her posts patting her on the back and consoling her for what a terrible wife she had. It was astonishing.

Judging by the comments our mutual friends made to me before I cut them out of my life, my best guess is that she was workshopping the lies she was going to tell everyone when I found out.

She probably did way worse stuff that I’ll never know about.

FYI_
FYI_
23 days ago
Reply to  dracaena

This is horrible. I’m so sorry.

PeaceAtLast
PeaceAtLast
24 days ago

After 35 years of a marriage full of daily discord and BS, I discovered at age 66 that my then husband had been banging Asian โ€œmasseusesโ€ FOR AT LEAST 5 YEARS. I do not know the full extent of his betrayal in terms of dollars or years. He copped only to hand jobs despite my finding condoms and photos that said otherwise. He expected to be forgiven. Divorce now final 1 1/2 years. Approaching 4 years since DDay – and maybe Meh. Definitely happy.

Mybrightfuture
Mybrightfuture
24 days ago

I cried so much listening to this interview because I felt so sorry for myself.

FW always told me that I was too sensitive, that he didnโ€™t mean anything by the things he did, and that I was just overinterpreting his thoughtlessness. He also constantly told me that I was never satisfied.

My D-Day wasnโ€™t only the day I discovered FWโ€™s adultery. In a way, it was also the day I realized that the strange loneliness I had felt throughout our 11 years of marriage wasnโ€™t because something was wrong with me. I wasnโ€™t crazy. I wasnโ€™t imagining things.

Iโ€™m still in the middle of my divorce, and domestic violence is involved as well. While I was pregnant with our second child, the FW was having an affair with the mother of my first childโ€™s friend (who became my friend) who was also married. He even saw her on the day I gave birth, under the excuse that she was helping take care of my first child while I was hospitalized. I do not have any family in this country so I trusted his AP.

I invited AP into my home every single day. She held my newborn baby, helped take care of him, and I genuinely believed she was there to support me during such a vulnerable time.

I was being gaslit by both of them, and I didnโ€™t even realize it.

I still have to read CLโ€™s blogs every night before I can fall asleep. Iโ€™m still breastfeeding my baby, and somehow Iโ€™m trying to process all of this while taking care of my children and going through a divorce. (Plus full time working)

It hurts so much to look back and realize how much I trusted them. But reading these stories reminds me that I wasnโ€™t crazy. My feelings were real.

Her interview gives me so much hope that, someday, I can find my own peace and happiness after infidelity.

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OHFFS
OHFFS
23 days ago
Reply to  Mybrightfuture

“FW always told me that I was too sensitive, that he didnโ€™t mean anything by the things he did, and that I was just overinterpreting his thoughtlessness. He also constantly told me that I was never satisfied.”

He was gaslighting. He knew your feelings were reasonable. He knew his intentions were cruel. Unless they are truly mentally ill, they know exactly what they’re doing.
You will get through this and find peace and happiness. The peace comes at some point after you stop engaging with the FW. As you have a children with the twerp, you will need to make do with low contact and gray rock. I am so sorry for what he and the AP did to you. ๐Ÿฉท

Mybrightfuture
Mybrightfuture
24 days ago
Reply to  Mybrightfuture

While I was on maternity leave at home taking care of our newborn, he pretended to be a devoted father who was busy taking care of our older child and arranging playdates. But those โ€œplaydatesโ€ were actually dates with his AP.

He also pretended that he was extremely busy working at his job as a tenure-track assistant professor. In reality, he never even went to campus. He was going to his APโ€™s house and spending time with her instead.

I genuinely believed he was a hardworking, responsible person who was a good father to our first child. But I later realized that he had been using our children as an excuse and a way to see her. He would meet her when she was dropping off or picking up her child at the same preschool where our son went. He used the kids as a cover for their relationship.

Looking back, it is devastating to realize that what I thought were innocent playdates and responsible parenting were actually opportunities for him to spend time with his AP

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BetterNow
BetterNow
23 days ago
Reply to  Mybrightfuture

My exFW also used our child as a cover-up to see at least two of his f-friends. Coffee shop dates with her child and our child. Gym dates with her child and our child.

OHFFS
OHFFS
23 days ago
Reply to  Mybrightfuture

Despicable! I consider using kids to facilitate cheating an indirect form of sexual abuse.

Best Thing
Best Thing
23 days ago
Reply to  Mybrightfuture

What a horrible, stressful time for you. Your FW disgusts me more than the usual because he used his children as props for his perfidy. I hope he loses custody, has to pay through the nose for child support, and that you will end up in a dream life that he can envy from far, far away.

TheArtOfChumping
TheArtOfChumping
24 days ago

I donโ€™t even know. I look back and wonder what really happened. I could not even imagine during my marriage that he would lie to me. I was very naive. He went to Southeast Asia a few times alone, because he likes to be alone. I believed him. Thought he was just sitting at the beach alone reading about sports. I donโ€™t even want to know what he did there. And what about the time he swallowed a fish bone while eating a business lunch at a hotel and had to get it removed via surgery? Why was he having a business lunch half way across the city at a random hotel? Why did any dinner parties with his colleagues family stop? Of course he had explanations for everything. Or why did he really get fired from coaching teenage girls soccer? I have flashbacks all the time and wonder what really happened. Who was that person? Just knowing the tip of the iceberg is enough. I feel like I canโ€™t trust anyone in my life now. Who are they? What are they trying to extract out of their friendship with me? What kind of shady things have they done in their life that they are hiding? Ah, itโ€™s hard. Still pushing through the pain.

Best Thing
Best Thing
23 days ago

Hang in there Art. You are not the crazy one, and you are being reasonable by doubting reality. It takes a while to get back to normal. Someday you will be able to stop asking yourself, who? what? why? and look back on this time and just say “Whatever. I’m done with it.”

braincramped
braincramped
23 days ago

I discovered that there is far more that I don’t know than I do know. -And I know a lot !
It haunts me

OHFFS
OHFFS
23 days ago
Reply to  braincramped

I get it. That used to haunt me too. I decided to just accept that it was worse than I would ever know and since I couldn’t do anything about it, it didn’t matter. I no longer care.

Bcchump
Bcchump
23 days ago

After kicking him out, while I was going through chemo, I saw that he was charging up a storm, thousands of dollars. I believe he though that I’d be responsible for half the debt so he bought all new stuff.

Among many secrets I found out, one was that he only had me listed as an authorized user on the cards. My credit rating actually sucked while his was fabulous.

The joke was on him, since I was only an authorized user, he was responsible for the whole debt.

susie lee
susie lee
22 days ago
Reply to  Bcchump

I love that he had to pay for his own glam up.

jahmonwildflower
jahmonwildflower
23 days ago

I initially had no clue there were so many betrayal objects in so many places! I first learned about a gross piece of trailer trash at an archery store he frequented. Slowly, then, about so many others. Many were alcoholics, had criminal records (mug shots!), lots of STIs. Some were married, some not. Some were hetero. Some not. I learned of a sordid, secret world that had nothing to do with me. Later, I learned about his pathology, his psychiatric illness, as well as physical illnesses from contracting STIs. I learned so much. None of it good. He was a con man.

susie lee
susie lee
22 days ago

There is so much I never knew. It was a different time, I pretty much walked away when he left me for the town bike. Oh he hoovered a bit, and I fell for it once; but in the big picture I never chased him or even called him.

He made a mess of himself. I guess I will always, in the back of my mind wonder what the heck happened to him. We had built what I thought was a good life, but in the context of a 20 year marriage he just ripped it all apart and blindsided me. I only know the words he spoke, and that was “I have been “dating” for ten years, and I never loved you”.

Ladywithatruck
Ladywithatruck
22 days ago

I had thought he was cheating and did find evidence of his personal ads etc before I decided to leave the final time.
Luckily? As I was packing to leave and he was gone for the day, I was sorting through papers, albums, etc and came across his journals that he had kept for the last couple of years. All dated, with details of what he was doing.
The last few years of the relationship I hadn’t journals, but I had made notes in my day planner. When we had fights, when I accused him of screwing around, how he denied it and blamed me for being paranoid.
I was able to go through and compare his journal to my calendar.
It was far worse than anything I had imagined.
I discovered he wasn’t seeing one woman, he was seeing 4 and looking for more. Taking ED meds in order to “perform” and comparing us and how forgiving and gullible we each were.
What really got me was every time he was home, (he was trucking at the time) I ended up with a UTI. I had called him and asked if he’d been sleeping with anyone else and he had denied, denied, denied.
In his journal he talked about me and one of the other women calling him on the same day asking if he was sleeping with someone else because we both had UTI’s. That made me want to puke and also made me even more determined to leave and thank God I didn’t get something worse.
I also found paper where he had practiced my signature. And transfer and tax forms he had signed on vehicles of mine. I had 3 cars stolen in 3 years. Hmm
I also found bank statements and other mail from a man he rented from.
I also found his SIN#, and DL numbers and made photocopies. They came in really handy when he wouldn’t return my vehicle and was driving without insurance.
Alot of times victims never know all the things their ex was doing and still feel they need proof. Trust your gut.