What Did You Discover About Your Cheater’s Double Life?
To be a cheater is to have a double life.
Yet it’s rarely described that way in the literature. Instead affairs are discussed as singular mistakes, midlife crises, one-off, and even bad coping mechanisms for stress.
Upon discovery, the chump is supposed to pivot immediately to understanding and forgiveness. (For what exactly? Chumps don’t have the whole story and probably never will.) The standard Reconciliation Industrial Complex advice centers the cheater. We’re supposed to be very invested in their reasons why. Their motivations. Their unhappiness. And of course, their potential to change.
By centering the cheater, and their unhappiness, we avoid looking at the double life deceptions.
Here’s some standard RIC framing from Lauren LaRusso, a therapist I just interviewed for the podcast. Who was chumped and said it changed her perspective. Yet she writes:
While infidelity is often the most visible and painful betrayal in a marriage, it’s not the only one. betrayal comes in many forms and it often does not involveย crossing boundaries outside the relationship at all. It can lookย like neglect, disconnection, emotional withdrawal, or unkindness. And when these behaviors become patterns, they quietly erode the trust and connection that hold a relationship together.
Here’s the part we don’tย talk about enough when the partner who betrayed feels betrayed themselves they’re holding hurt and disappointment that was left unacknowledged or unspoken and it has festered or left them feeling like a victim of the marriage.
Chronic betrayals in a marriage are a quiet interpersonal betrayals that chip away at connection, trust and safety especially when they become habits.
They can leave wounds that are just as deep and many of them stem from emotional immaturity.
It’s about lacking the emotional tools required for true connection and repair.
Yes, but when a chumped partner gives a cutting remark, withdraws, disappoints — they do it OPENLY. Same with the dead bedroom excuse. It’s no secret if you aren’t having seggs. These are false equivalencies. No one is getting an STI from “holding hurt and disappointment.”
Also, we don’t drive people to abuse us. Our faults real or imagined don’t make people create dating profiles or paid girlfriend habits. These are choices. There was an entire decision tree of ethical options — hard conversations, therapy, divorce lawyers — and cheaters chose the double life. To take their “unhappiness” underground.
You’re terrible enough to cheat on, but not quite so terrible that the cheater can’t stop extracting value from you.
Value extraction must happen in secret. Because if you knew, you’d stop investing.
Also, two can play the grudge match of Little Betrayals Make Me Miserable. Chumps have complaints — yet they aren’t out there creating second families with burner phones.
So, the Friday Challenge today is to tell me the extent of your cheater’s double life. What did you discover? Especially beyond the various F buddies. Did they lie about their professional qualifications? Academic record? Were they concealing debt? Pregnancy? Other children?
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Itโs hard to know the full extent of it! But aside from the various types of cheating I found we were 5 years behind on tax filing. FW lied and said it was all being handled with the accountant but it wasnโt. I found out by looking at his email on a joint computer he left after he moved out. He hadnโt paid the accountant so I had to pay them to have my accounts disentangled and have my taxes done separately. It was an expensive nightmare. There were other unpaid bills too. Also, heโd taken credit for various professional achievements at different employers which turned out to all be lies once I did some fact checking- many of these were high profile government jobs. Iโm sure I only know the half of it.
Agreed. It’s hard to know the full extent of it. You just have to use an attorney and legally protect yourself as much as possible.
A good follow-up question: how much did they get away with? Iโm not sure, but I walked away with enough. Schoopie and FW are married now, and I think that’s punishment in itself.
When I was new to chumpdom, I didn’t realize I was far more financially secure as a single person than married to FW.
A year before DDAY, FW got a job as VP of Finance and was on a one year waiting period to become CFO at a small online education company (only about 12 people in a large office space on one floor of a building). Iโd ask how it was going at work and heโd say things were great and he was on track for CFO. DDAY happened the month he was supposed to become CFO. When I discovered he was cheating with a coworker (the one he had helped hire just a few months earlier) I still thought he was going to be CFO and now he was going to be a big boss with big money and working with his f*** buddy. It wasnโt until months later that I ran into his boss and found out FW had already been fired months prior and they were just transitioning him out. His boss told me point blank that FW was horrific and heโd never work with โthat guyโ again. Wait what? I had no idea. Now 11 years later heโs in and out of jobs.. currently out of work again. His whole โIโm a great finance guyโ thing was BSโฆ no one likes or trusts him
I guess that the biggest discovery was the fact that Ex-Mrs LFTT’s infidelity was not the biggest issue that I was facing.
I found out that she had been running up debts (ยฃ15K unsecured personal loans that went into her account and yet got paid back from the joint account that only I contributed to). I found out about the weekends seeing her work friends that turned out to be dirty weekends with her AP under cover stories provided by said friends. I found out that her Thursday evening Choir Practises with me rushing home to look after the kids were actually date nights with her AP. I found out that she was an alcoholic and very good at hiding it, while she openly criticised me for not being a drinker. I found out she had been diagnosed with and was being treated for depression and not told me (because she didn’t need my help apparently), but had insisted that I was the one who had a M*ntal H*alth problem. I found out that the version of our marriage that she was telling her friends and family about bore no relation to the marriage that our kids and I were living in.
I think that her infidelity was the bit of the iceberg that you could see …. the rest of it was hidden underwater until I had cause to look. I don’t know whether this all countered as a “Double Life,” but there certainly a “hidden reality” until it wasn’t hidden all of a sudden.
LFTT
I could write a book about these deceptions. At the time, I was involved in a church that was total RIC, and the pastor kept telling me that I just needed to confront Cheater and have an “honest conversation.” IT WAS IMPOSSIBLE! Cheater was living a whole double life and did not want me to know any of it. He denied, denied, denied until I showed proof that I already knew, and then he would get angry that I was “snooping.” Later he would claim I knew all along and was okay with it, and that he only did it because he was sure I already approved. So what was he doing? Here is a short summary of what I found out, but I’m sure it was only the tip of the iceberg:
(1) He had molested a 14-year-old mentally challenged foster child in our care.
(2) He was only reporting about 1/10 of his income for taxes, and then using those taxes to get government benefits like food stamps, heating assistance, etc. He even went to interview appointments at the welfare office to plead his case to get more money “for his starving family.”
(3) He was defrauding our church, the kids’ school, and getting income-based repayment on loans that he didn’t really qualify for.
(4) He was going to hotels when telling me he was out fishing, etc. I even packed lunches for him for his “fishing trips” and watched the kids so he could have time away.
(5) He was running up large debts behind my back, including taking out loans in my name by forging my signature.
(6) He wasn’t paying the mortgage.
(7) He was running up bills with sex workers.
I still wonder where all our money went. At one point, we were making $80,000/year. And he was not paying the mortgage, and he was using government benefits to cover most of our heating and food costs, and he was not paying taxes due to his underreporting. But we were broke and he was taking out loans on credit cards. Where was all the money going? I now suspect a gambling addiction in addition to the sex workers.
Cheater had no intention of stopping any of it. When I hear psychologists say that cheaters are deeply ashamed, it just makes me laugh. He wasn’t even slightly embarrassed. He was just mad that I found out.
“(1) He had molested a 14-year-old mentally challenged foster child in our care.”
Please tell us that he was charged for it and is now in custody and/or has to stay x feet away from children, schools, etc.
IANAL – if she ever discloses or this somehow comes out, would YOU be in legal jeopardy if you knew about it (even much later) but didn’t report it? I’d want to consult an attorney and get way ahead of that.
I’m glad you escaped him!
Caoline:
I don’t think they are ashamed either. My husband’s sex addiction therapist was always banging on about hs supposed ‘toxic shame.’ I don’t believe in toxic shame, though I do think regular old shame, classic shame, exists and serves a useful purpose. When you feel shame at your behavior it is a motivator to never do that thing again. This is the way that normal brains work; for those with personality disorders, like narcissists, this is broken.
I’ve been watching a lot of Dr. Peter Salerno on YouTube, who says there is no scientific evidence for this engulfing shame causing bad behavior theory. His is a simpler theory: that they are without empathy and do what they do because they enjoy it and it is simply how their brains work, their ‘operating system’ as it were. Lots of research backs him up.This resonates with me and my experiences married to a (formally diagnosed) NPD.
Towards the end of my relationship, my husband did not disguise the glee he felt at anything that hurt me. When you see the malevolence behind the dropped mask it is shocking and transformative.
Oh yes, the old “toxic shame” BS. My exFW was always saying that he couldn’t take full accountability because he would “shame spiral”. He wouldn’t allow me to share my feelings about what he had done because of his “horrible shame”. Well, how about you don’t do things to feel ashamed of then?!
Please tell me that pastor found out about the 14-year-old girl and apologized profusely to you.
Gee, if he was defrauding your church, your pastor should have just had an “honest conversation” with him. I’m sure that would have cleared the whole thing up!
FTW!
U win the most sparkly turd award
Leaving aside the betrayal of finding out that his relationship with an ex-student had moved far beyond the mentorship and support he’d told me about to become overtly sexual, here are the two main things I learned that I consider the fundamental betrayals that opened my eyes to the kind of man he actually was as opposed to the man I thought he was:
I learned that rather than being the feminist he professed to be, he held profoundly regressive views of women, and acted them out sexually, getting his sexual jollies from pretending to be the woman who wanted to be “taken against her will.” He spent a lot of time online in this secret sexual basement of his.
I learned he was perfectly okay with lying to me and manipulating me in order to get what he wanted. In fact, he’d lied to me at the beginning of our relationship, when I was still unsure of how much I wanted to get involved with him. He told me he’d intervened with his uncle over a racist act, something that made me believe he was honorable, had values similar to mine, and would act on them, which was instrumental in my belief I could trust him. When I brought that story up near the end of our 36 year marriage, he said, “That never happened. I was lying a lot in those days.”
There are many things I will never know, because I decided that the things he’d hinted at that were far worse than anything I had seen or that he’d told me about I didn’t need to know the details of, because I already knew enough to know I needed to leave and end the marriage.
Mine the same, Adelante. An autogynephilic tran***tite, although there are so many labels for his inclinations that many apply. Others: sadist, p*do. Hell of a Chump once just referred to him and people like him as ‘abuseosexuals’ which fits pretty darn well.
He betrayed me in every way it is possible to betray a person. At first your mind focuses on the seggs because that is often the first thing discovered. But eventually you uncover the lies baked into everything. In reviewing records for the divorce, I’ve identified multiple felonies, going back decades. It was easier to forgive myself (though not completely there yet) for not seeing through the mask once I realized he’d invested decades in perfecting it.
“in those days” — ๐คฃ But not much since!?
Yes, someday, perhaps a memoir of my own. In the meantime, here’s my summary:
Hook ‘er habit. Mostly 20- somethings. A girl in every city he worked in. He’d order them online, like a Door dash hamburger. They would go to his hotel restaurant, and they would have dinner together before adjourning to his hotel room. Or he’d go to her motel room.
Massage parlor, er, attendants. In cities he worked in. He wasn’t getting a back massage.
Gambling. I learned my children knew of this and were told not to tell me about it.
Online searches and purchases that were of an, um, adult nature, as far as toys go.
Finally, financial fraud. He defrauded me via money in many ways: lying about savings, cheating me out of our 401K (yes he got away with that), borrowing money from many, many different sources, and keeping that all a secret from me. We are talking hundreds of thousands of dollars.
“Secret sexual double life” is a very helpful phrase for us to use. It emphasizes that the cheater is a slick and shady confidence man, a liar, a manipulator, an imposter, a fraud and a traitor. And in many cases (in mine for sure), a criminal.
Say again on emotional immaturity, Lauren!?!? Wow.
Ahh, the classic “Cheaters have feelings and may feel shorted, too!” gambit.
I have spoken on this before-during our final ever encounter she had let slip that there had been more than one affair (and yes, in the fashion of the Traitor people, she tried to couch it as the one she confessed to even though 0 details added up). And without the hindrance of rose colored glasses-I now have significant suspicions about other periods in our “marriage” as well.
The major one is the level of financial irresponsibility…well, ok, the actual degree of it. I am still digging myself out from credit card debt that she generated in my name three years later. And at the time of her departure she owed ~$10K to social security from overpayments and had since we lived together (which she was really, REALLY weird about calling them to address it-I think she was funneling it to her family). After her departure she refused to update her address and the Past Dues, Registered Letters, and Final Notices started pouring in (all dutifully marked “return to sender” and shot back off after she skipped town unannounced). Fortunately none of that was in my name-I was wise not to co-sign on anything (though my dumb ass DID let her use my cards).
Of course, the funny thing is that she gave me a big speech on the way out the door about how she didn’t need me financially anymore and that she would get by on her own without me without much difficulty. I guess it’s pretty easy to live when you don’t pay your bills and run from it.
And I know I talked about this recently-back in May I got a summons with her name on it. I tossed it back in the mail but ran a public records search-she had defaulted on a credit card and was getting taken to court (as again-she never updated her mailing address). When I ran it by a family member (as it was quite triggering to think she may stop by if she knew about it), they let me know that she was married and moved to Canada. The idiot literally defected to another country to try and avoid all the debt that she accrued.
Having just passed the third anniversary of D-Day and “losing” her…you know, I re-read what I just wrote and am very, very glad that I never owned a home or had children with this moron. I would have lost the home and I know our kid would be in deplorable financial conditions owing to THAT..and that’s before having a Traitor for a parent.
Have a Traitor Free Friday!
There were so many things with my STBXW, hereโs a couple of the worst ones from the top of my head:
She started having our kids sleep over at Schmoopieโs house. Schmoopieโs wife was her best friend, her kids were friends with our kids, so this wasnโt suspicious right away. But we hadnโt previously let our kids sleep over because there were not enough beds for them (neither the kids nor my STBXW) to sleep in. Suddenly after the affair started this was no longer a problem, and they all slept on the couch. We later found out she and Schmoopie had reorganized all the sleeping arrangements for the kids on those nights so that they could have a quickie after everyone else went to bed. Yes, they repeatedly hooked up when both of our sets of kids and Schmoopieโs wife were all sleeping just down the hall.
She started taking โme timeโ every Sunday afternoon. She said her new job was too stressful, and she needed time alone every Sunday afternoon to decompress away from me and the kids. No phone calls unless it was an emergency. And she could never really explain what she did for those hours, it was always something vague like โI read a book in the parkโ (in the middle of a Midwest winter). Turns out โme timeโ just so happened to align with Schmoopieโs wifeโs weekly lunch date with her mom and the kids. For some reason, after DDay this weekly โme timeโ session was no longer neededโฆ
Well, the biggest one was that he had another child who he had with a married woman before we met. Yes, he knew about the child and never let me know because it would have been a dealbreaker. I wrote Tracy about it several years ago and I was the one who ended up telling our daughter because I didn’t want her to be blindsided in the future. I still don’t know if she ever let him know that she knew. Plan to question her on that soon.
He was also into teenage porn. I always wondered why he never pursued seggs with me and after talking to a therapist who specialized in porn addiction, he let me know that porn deadens the seggs drive. That men who participate keep wanting bigger and more thrills. He obviously moved on from me. Thank God I had this therapist because he made me realize I had to get out of the marriage.
Looking back I fully believe that there were more affairs before the one I found out. But I am out now and though I have been through trauma I am on the other side and enjoying life with peace.
Before I found Chump Lady and her brilliant commentators I thought that infidelity betrayal was a singular poor choice. Therefore his denial, blameshifting, and equating were confusing. I thought that he would adult up, own up, and repair. Now I understand that the cluster B personality issues that drove his behaviors are who he is. Lying meant to mislead and manipulate is his basic operating system so nothing is off the table in order to get and do what he wants. I don’t have a specific revelation concerning his double life other than to say that it is obvious to me now in every aspect of our life together.
I found out that he went to places where men would gather to partake in s*xual acts. He participated in this for our entire 30 year marriage and I had no idea. Iโm still really confused about it.
Unlike the affair, I don’t have solid proof but there are 3 things I believe he was up to in his double life 1) shady financial dealings – and we were in full-time ministry!, 2) bi behavior, possibly acted out, possibly the source of my STIs, 3) fathering an illegitimate son in the developing country where we lived.
The latter became a family joke from “Fakebook” and we all teased him about it while laughing. After finding out about his 3-year love affair with the same countrywoman 2 decades later, I now think he probably *did* father a child while traveling in that area at that time.
What I discovered about double lives is that, if you’re able to find out some of the things they don’t want to tell you, double lives are hilarious in a haha-groan-ick kind of way.
The first comic effect is the vast divide between the romantic fantasy FWs and their proxies think they’re living vs. the humiliating, pathetic reality of it. CL just published a great Substack article about how, statistically speaking, most FWs and APs can’t possibly be as objectively irresistible as they seem to think they are and this proved true in my situation. For example, FW assumed he and his direct-report affair partner were being discrete but that, even if some knew about the workplace affair, he imagined himself the envy of all men for his conquest. Meanwhile, his younger coworkers had running jokes about the affair and eviscerating nicknames for him and the affair partner.
But seeing the humor doesn’t necessarily preclude grasping the seriousness of the fallout. It was actually one of those icked-out younger coworkers who anonymously blew the whistle on the affair because he knew kids were involved and was losing sleep over it.
If you’re going to have this kind of bad news delivered, I can’t think of a better emissary than someone who gets both the absurdity and the horror at the same time. I think the way I found out helped me sidestep certain typical D-Day hazards like being infected by a cheater’s romantic delusions about their behavior or that isolating fear that bystanders are applauding the betrayal or wondering what the third party has that you don’t have, etc. I didn’t even have a chance to sink into that toxic mental trap because I got some of the slapstick details right out of the gate about the adventures of “Viagra Dick and Debbie-wise the Gutter Clown.”
But there was definitely some real horror involved, like the way my kids– who all have complex and expensive medical needs– were starved of critical resources by massive secret financial dissipation during the affair and ended up with worsening chronic health issues. FW was playing the overworked martyr and pretending we were poor while basically watching the kids crash. It explains why he would rage at me and accuse me of “pessimism” and “catastrophizing” when I would try to tell him about the kids’ growing health concerns and their need for out-of-pocket remedies. The kids were also destabilized by FW’s escalating coercion and psychological abuse towards me. Worse, there was this kind of “Roman circus” effect where he use the negative impact his behavior had on me as grounds to cast me as an “unfit parent” and began making custodial threats. For instance, he decided my stress-induced radical weight loss and increasing insomnia were proof of “ED” and general craziness, ergo “dangerous parent.” I started having serial nightmares about him taking the children away.
The abuse and entrapment got so bad over the course of more than a year that it was actually a relief to learn the truth. The “Deep Throat”– who called from a burner and was pretty cautious at first for fear of being shot as the messenger– also seemed relieved when I started laughing and opened up about the absurd stuff he’d been forced to witness or learned about. It was a truly weird conversation because we were both cracking up.
But again, getting the irony of something or engaging in gallows humor doesn’t preclude grasping how awful the thing is. In fact, as a survival response, gallows humor can apparently measure the degree of trauma involved. I read later on a message board for HR professionals that bystanders to workplace affairs– especially extramarital affairs– can often experience symptoms of PTSD. There seems to be an intuitive understanding among humans that people who engage in double lives and major boundary violations can be potentially dangerous so bystanders may feel stricken with fear of retaliation if they “tell” or if it’s even known that they know. Consequently, they may feel burdened with the knowledge of collateral harm and develop issues with their own moral identities.
The above all seemed to apply in the case of the “whistleblower.” I guess that’s one very important thing I learned about double lives: not all bystanders automatically default to assuming victims had it coming as a means of defending their own silent complicity. After all, every dictatorship has underground resistors. I feel very lucky that I got proof of that principle at a time when I could have gotten bogged down in existential despair, isolation and exhaustion. The truth can definitely set us free but the source of the truth matters and whether we’re getting it in unexpurgated form and not just bits and pieces filtered through abusers’ self-serving delusions.
That was another thing I read about– something called “cognitive capture” where victims end up being spellbound (also called “projective identification”) by perpetrators’ rationalizations which, in serial offenders, usually involve demonizing victims and fabricating false moral grounds to commit the offenses. But that can only happen in isolation or when social context echoes and supports perpetrators’ false alibis and distortions.
Multiple aliases, one legal name change, post office boxes, and more than one social security number. One document I unwittingly signed making a second home (acquired during the marriage) his separate property.
$7,000 in Schmoopies rent over three months + vacations and date money. Worries about HSV2; he got it, fortunately, I didnโt, but it took months to get a clear result. After moving in with his affair partner, despite being legally obligated, without telling me, he removed me from the health insurance during the pandemic.
I wouldnโt be surprised to see my ex in an orange jumpsuit. He didnโt cheat with multiple women, but he was a cheat through and through.
For years, he had been hiding a pill addiction, and then there was his preaching. He that when they put him on the schedule, but meanwhile presented as a godly husband and father at church. At home, he was a horror. When high, he was completely full of himself and out of it, even delusional at times. That never affected his sermons. He also had a habit of stonewalling, sometimes not speaking to me for a month and then manipulating me into taking responsibility with the threat of divorce. He came from a very conservative family of preachers and missionaries who believed in “no divorce, ever.” At church, I had to watch who I spoke to because he’d quiz me afterward. I had to maintain his image and stay within the lines. That began to seriously crush me.
There was also a girlfriend that he dated before me who remained in the wings. I don’t completely know the extent, but she called and sent cards periodically. From what I knew, she was quite the man predator. She said my husband was the “best man I’ve ever known.” What a thing to say to his wife when you call the house when he’s at work! She lived in another state, but I felt very, very uneasy about her. When our marriage began to develop serious cracks, he started talking more and more about her as his ideal woman. Yes, after decades of marriage.
He decided to make the bedroom his retirement hobby after we separated the first time. That deeply distorted everything, particularly when he proposed an open relationship and went to the local shady massage parlor. We split again, and he landed where the old girlfriend lived. He was perpetually vague about his doings, and hinted at other “friends.” More delusions and upsetting conversations and emails. On my own, I uncovered more, some of it very upsetting.
He kicked off the divorce with a phone call. That was telling. I lawyered up first when negotiating with my STBX became like negotiating with a terrorist, and then he lawyered up with the unethical pit bull he had been talking about for years. This local attorney used to take up full-page ads in the local paper, something my then-husband liked to shame me with when he was threatening divorce.
In time, his attorney began to turn on his client when my STBX tried to power over his own attorney. Pro tip: don’t try to power over an expensive family law attorney who specializes in high-asset divorce for the local rich and famous. We were ordinary people, trust me. During that time, his attorney chose to blab to mine way more than he should have, and the revelations were horrifying. I told my attorney to keep notes and stop sharing that with me.
Ultimately, we reached a fair settlement, pushed hard by the attorneys. Sitting through the horrors of my marriage in the courtroom had no appeal for me. I quickly came to meh after the judge signed off and laughed my way through my ex’s antics in a messy closeout. Eventually, my ex let go and moved on. As my closeout attorney said, I had become a hard target.
My current term for my ex is “shape shifter,” which stuck for me when I was re-reading the Tony Hillerman books and watching “Dark Winds” on Netflix some time back. I don’t deal with that sort of thing in people anymore, nope-nope-nope. Give me people who are real and the same through and through!
“Theyโre holding hurt and disappointment that was left unacknowledged or unspoken and it has festered or left them feeling like a victim of the marriage.” This is something that’s taken me a long time to learn: Needing someone else to acknowledge my feelings leaves me dependent on other people for my well-being. I’ve found it powerful to acknowledge my own feelings. I think depending on other people to acknowledge what I’m feeling lets my well-being rest in other peoples’ hands.